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Martinsville antics

Hey All,

A couple comments...

PRB I don't buy that this is manufactured drama. It is real - these guys genuinely want to win championships not drama contests. NASCAR has changed the rules to fit the times - rightfully so. You can't make people respect the past or the old ways. People realize they are just - well - old. The drivers who have the best physical, emotional and rational makeup to fit the times will be the winners. This is the way it is - the old do not rule the day.

Now about Danica - she is an amateur at this revenge game and if she is smart and I think she is she will give it up. Losers like Gilliland who seem to basically think Danica has no place in NASCAR are just - well - losers. She has earned her way getting sponsorships and all and is not taking a seat from a more talented racer. NASCAR should sanction her but her transgression is nowhere near the magnitude of the Kenseth move. Let boys be boys for 26 races and among out of contention racers is maybe fine - but not ever under caution and not if you are in the chase. That is something to think about. The basic idea believed by some that zero tolerance is the way forward are really out of touch.

-Ed-
 
i think its all bs,if any one thinks that the driver of the 2 and 22 are innocent ,good drivers,yer delusional,remember who started the crap between bad brad and carl?..yup brad did,who ended it?..carl did.....

and the wet bread fella in the 22?..anyone remember why denny hamlin ended up head on into a wall breaking his back?...yup lil wetbread dumped him....why??..he was mad because denny raced him hard prior and he got revenge...i dont care if it was in the chase or not..wetbread...soggyass?...took matt out of the chase himself..so he was fair game..ive already quit the fan counsel and i wont watch or support nascar in anyway from now on...ive had it...nascar used to talk about pairity and fairness....i havent heard anything about that anymore...now its just we'll do as we want ,when we want,even if it favors one driver over another or not...its bs...
 
sorry ed,,,but when the 2 spins the 20,,those two cars were alone in racing terms,,,,bad brad could have esily backed off a bit,but did he?..no he wanted to wreak the 20,so the 22 could win....ed?..i once said i wouldnt argue with you any more just because of your fire fighting back ground...but dude...you have vision of only what you want to se...watch the video in slow motion...yeah the 2 was pushing the 22,the 41 touches him...but he gets into the 20,,,and doesnt lift at all..just spins the 20.....bad brad and milktoast will will be brought to thier knees in future...they will continue to make emimies and will continue to be wrecked..




EasyEd said:
Hey All,

Uh no Dave watch the video. The 2 did not turn into the 20 - the 41 is pushing the 2 and gets him loose and into the 2. Brad wanted to let Joey in front of him the 41 had other ideas. Only fair the 41 gets in the wreck too.


The 20 turning the 22 was absolutely deliberate. The 20s tire did not go down. The 22 turning the 20 at kansas was completely fair. You (the 22) do not let a slower car (the 20) blocking you win in this kind of racing - the win is too important. If you can put him away you do. We don't season long points race anymore - that is the old failed way.

-Ed-
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Hey All,

Nothing inconsistent.

Circumstance decides - not the action itself

Brian France gets that.

You do realize that with this chase format drivers have to be smart and constantly aware of where they are and where their competition is.

Take JLo at Kansas - already punched his ticket to the next round. Going for a win but I have no doubt knew that with kenseth blocking he could use the bumper just like Dale earnhardt, Rusty Wallace, jAWS and others. He can't hurt himself as he is into the next round but maybe one of the other fast cars in the chase won't advance. Like yeah do it! Now kenseth he's dumb holding up a faster car that could put him out. See? Then Kenseth well he's dumb and puts JLo in a wall and gets suspended and will be watched. And JLo has two races to make it anyway - with the Penske cars maybe he will - I'd not bet against it. An well Kenseth he ain't doin that again not this year or next.

You see the driver code - I race you like you race me has to knuckle under to the France chase rules - the driver code does not and should not rule. You can if your smart think through all kinds a strategies and such - Penske I bet has - as has the Harv. It's all about getting to the next round. And these drivers have been warned at every drivers meeting but have they really thought through all the implications?

And that is the point the penalties for Danica and Matt were and should be very different - as stated by Brian France - and as in life it is all about the circumstances. There is no black and white - it is all 50 shades of grey.

I luv it - racing should be strategy first. I always go for smart drivers.

Otherwise just get in the fastest car and go win the race - boring. Lets get excited about who gets 10th!! What racing series is that boring?

So does this mean there are two classes of drivers on the track for the last 10 races of the year in NASCAR? Yes absolutely! But if racing hard for a win a "second class" car can use the bumper or lean - that is fair and I've no doubt Brian France supports that. So again situational awareness is everything. - as it should be. Who is the car behind or beside you and where do they stand in the chase or the race determines your action - better be smart not like Kenseth.

The old ways are dead - get over it.

-Ed-
 
Brian France is going to listen to ratings, Brian France gets business.
What you call the old ways are still NASCAR's bread and butter.
For every Iceman like Labonte or Martin, there is the Earnhardt or Stewart.
Both have their place and both are great racers.
If NASCAR were nothing but Jimmy Johnsons roboting their way to victory then NASCAR wouldn't have any ratings in days gone by or next weekend.
Good sports is about the passion, you know "The thrill of victory the agony of defeat"
No one is looking for headlines like "Johnson again really thankful for crews efforts, second only to his appreciation of his sponsors"

Martinville antics are going to be a part of NASCAR as long as there is a NASCAR. They will punish it to keep it under control but they would never want to stifle it.
Look what we are still talking about mid week. Bad boys, fines, mediocre mid-pack drivers only getting 50k fines. It is all fodder for the hype machine that NASCAR thrives on
If you think that is a thing of the past then I have doubts you have been to a race. (or you just have to have the last word :untroubled:)
 
joe bob said:
If you think that is a thing of the past then I have doubts you have been to a race. (or you just have to have the last word :untroubled:)
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I can honestly say that I've never been to a race - but with Texas Motor Speedway "just up the street" from me, a truck race is on my "to do" list....:mixed-smiley-010:
 
Oh I forgot...
I can't wait for Gilliland to get payback on Danica since he now knows he won't get a harsh punishment...In fact, unlike Kenseth but just like Danica, Gilliland can state his actions on the radio, execute them, and still escape harsh punishment...Just like Danica...:mixed-smiley-010:
 
Hey All,

Did you even watch the race? Danica hardly touched Gilliland and then hurried to the garage not trying to catch Gilliland. You don't get huge penalties for this or talk. Go watch the video. Heck here watch.


And you consider this to be as serious as what Kenseth did? Zero tolerance is dumb and will never be enforced nor should it. It is all about the circumstance.

-Ed-
 
Panther_99FS said:
Now this guy is SPOT ON!!!


-> http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/sto...hase-for-the-sprint-cup-danica-patrick-110515
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Maybe NASCAR is looking at it like criminal sentencing guidelines. For example, you wouldn't go to San Quentin for ten years for stealing a candy bar from a 7/11. You get 10 years for stealing a million dollars from the bank on Main Street. Even though both crimes are acts of deliberate theft. In the same way, what Kenseth did was "worse" then what Patrick did. Heck, she actually failed to wreck the 38 car, only herself! Kenseth, after his appeal was turned down, said he didn't know there was a rule that said he couldn't pile drive the 22 car into the wall at 150 MPH, so how could be punished? Brilliant! But it seems to me that these two incidents, Danica's and Kenseth's are "beyond" the rule book. When they each decided to wreck the object of their displeasure, they were no longer racing. Is there a rule in the baseball rule book that says the pitcher can't slug the umpire in the face because he made him angry?

O.T. Remember last year when Kenseth tackled Keslowski after a race, claiming he was so angry because BK hit him after he had unbuckled his seat belts? After Well, after last week can we agree that was a BS excuse? Just say he p**sed you off and you wanted to kick his butt. We all get that. Why make up a story about being all concerned about safety? To quote Kenseth himself, when talking about Logano, I used to be a fan...
 
PRB,
Point taken but what if in Danica's mele, say Harvick got taken out by either Gilliand or Danica - then what?
 
Hey All,

Like anatomy everybody has an opinion. I agree with the idea that in the case of NASCAR the punishment must fit the circumstances not just the crime. We never want NASCAR to be open wheel with fenders. The whole idea of NASCAR racing in essence being about the car and the driver pressuring the car in front into a mistake would be boring boring boring - like F1 is the vast majority of the time. In every drivers meeting the drivers are warned about all of this on track retaliation and any back of the pack antics to help teammates and if the Danica/Gilliland continues to escalate NASCAR will step in harder. NASCAR is watching and has I'm certain thought through the vast vast majority of scenarios. And yes when there are 43 cars on the track any driver can be a victim of circumstance - like poor Denny when Kevin had that incredibly unfortunate accident at talledega to advance.

-Ed-
 
Panther_99FS said:
PRB,
Point taken but what if in Danica's mele, say Harvick got taken out by either Gilliand or Danica - then what?
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Then her penalty would be greater, and she'd have to fight Harvick... :biggrin-new: I'm not saying drivers should not be penalized for these particular shenanigans, I'm just saying the penalties don't have to be, and should not, be consistent.
 
PRB said:
Then her penalty would be greater, and she'd have to fight Harvick... :biggrin-new: I'm not saying drivers should not be penalized for these particular shenanigans, I'm just saying the penalties don't have to be, and should not, be consistent.
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LoL!
Well, the unequal-ruling tells me and apparently, I'm not the only one (see my previous posts) that "boys have it" still applies if you're a back marker and not in the chase....

Imagine if the NFL only penalized late hits on teams whose opponents had playoff chances...
 
Hey All,

NASCAR got it right refusing the 20 appeal. Hopefully they told him do it again and you get suspended for a month.

Danica's treatment was just right.

-Ed-
 
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