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9/11 conspiracy theroist goes nuts ...
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wombat666
Administrator
Enough people.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, if this continues to go further along the above lines this thread will be locked.
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Thank you wombat.
luckydog: Of course you are privileged to ask simple questions...
though when you assert that (before you edited)...
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"Boxcar.............
You're in need of some long-term psychiatric help !!!!:isadizzy::isadizzy::isadizzy:
Just out of curiosity.......how many doomsday and conspiracy THEORIES due you subscribe to................??"
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...then you are most certainly going beyond asking simple questions. S'ok... the mainstream
media also likes to shout down, deride, divert, make crazies of many patriots these days.
Snuffy, am again apologizing for the apparent imminent locking of your thread, friend.
Rami, you are correct: too many hot-heads. Am confessing to knowing better.
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Thank you wombat.
luckydog: Of course you are privileged to ask simple questions...
though when you assert that (before you edited)...
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"Boxcar.............
You're in need of some long-term psychiatric help !!!!:isadizzy::isadizzy::isadizzy:
Just out of curiosity.......how many doomsday and conspiracy THEORIES due you subscribe to................??"
..
.
...then you are most certainly going beyond asking simple questions. S'ok... the mainstream
media also likes to shout down, deride, divert, make crazies of many patriots these days.
Snuffy, am again apologizing for the apparent imminent locking of your thread, friend.
Rami, you are correct: too many hot-heads. Am confessing to knowing better.
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wombat666
Administrator
Edited your post I see.....simple questions asked in a civil manner are always welcome.
As we have another forum for this type of 'discussion' it should have been posted there.
Not difficult.
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Am in full agreement with you, wombat.
luckydog: None. I never get caught up in any of the bizarre, wild, crazy theories out here. Am in the habit of thinking for myself & not allowing anyone to sway me from facts. I stick to the facts & stand behind everything I wrote in this thread, sir. All of my questions as well as comments are based on well-documented evidence. 'Nuff said. Am out of this thread now. Make of me what you will.
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Edited your post I see.....simple questions asked in a civil manner are always welcome.
As we have another forum for this type of 'discussion' it should have been posted there.
Not difficult.
Am in full agreement with you, wombat.
luckydog: None. I never get caught up in any of the bizarre, wild, crazy theories out here. Am in the habit of thinking for myself & not allowing anyone to sway me from facts. I stick to the facts & stand behind everything I wrote in this thread, sir. All of my questions as well as comments are based on well-documented evidence. 'Nuff said. Am out of this thread now. Make of me what you will.
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luckydog
Charter Member 2014
You contradict yourself.
cheezyflier
Charter Member
my pop-pop worked on it. he was an electrical engineer. there are 3 important reasons why the comparison doesn't work.
1) 99% of the people working on that project didn't know what they were working on until after the war.
each part of it was highly compartmentalized for obvious security reasons. the many people who would have to have been involved in 9/11 would have direct knowledge of what they did probably while they were doing it, but certainly by the time of the event.
2) that project was for a wartime effort with a clear, easily defineable polarity between right and wrong, or good and evil, if you will. a sense of patriotism would have been sufficient to keep most people quiet, because they were working to save american lives. (as well as the lives of others around the world) that can't be said of a 9/11 conspiracy.
also, during the time of ww2, people were routinely coached about keeping things quiet with posters and slogans such as "loose lips sink ships". that's not the case now.
3) communication, and technology being what they were at that time combined to nurture a more innocent john q public. another thing to offer perspective is, at the time of the manhattan project, america did not even have it's interstate hiway system, and there were still alot of dirt roads in america, where it was alot less unusual to see someone riding a horse and wasn't amish. today people move and comunicate with far greater speed and at far less cost. it's a helluva lot harder to keep a secret now than it was in the late 30's/early 40's.
jmig
SOH-CM-2025
I am occasionally brought into an emissions maintenance issue as a consulting engineer, when maintenance and troubleshooting techniques don't work. As Snuffy and other engineers can tell you, we are taught to look for the Root Cause of a problem. In layman's language this is known as KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid. Philosophers call it Occam's Razor. I subscribe to these techniques. When in doubt, look for the simple solution.
We humans want to make things far more complex than it need be. I think it somehow makes us feel special? This is saddly true in tragic events. I am old enough to remember JFK's death and the conspiracy theories that followed. I can remember people of my parents generation talking in hush, hush, how they heard that FDR KNEW the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor in Dec. 7th and did nothing about it. This was spoken in the same unspoken, "He wanted the war" that I have heard about GWB and 911.
To even out the political tabletop, I also recall hearing my friends talking about Bill Clinton and the Great World Order. As if he was part of a few select people who were controlling the world secretly. Then there is my dear departed demented Aunt who KNEW the CIA and FBI were following her and using UFO's to keep track of her goings and comings...to the store and beauty parlor, I guess.
The trouble I have with conspiracy theories is that they give too much credit to mere humans to see and maneuver complex timings, events, people, and nature. In other words they violate the KISS and Occam Razor methods of looking at things. I am not saying that any or all of these theories, including my Aunt's, aren't true. I just know that is it awful easy to make facts fit a predetermined answer than to develop an answer from seemly unrelated facts.
We humans want to make things far more complex than it need be. I think it somehow makes us feel special? This is saddly true in tragic events. I am old enough to remember JFK's death and the conspiracy theories that followed. I can remember people of my parents generation talking in hush, hush, how they heard that FDR KNEW the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor in Dec. 7th and did nothing about it. This was spoken in the same unspoken, "He wanted the war" that I have heard about GWB and 911.
To even out the political tabletop, I also recall hearing my friends talking about Bill Clinton and the Great World Order. As if he was part of a few select people who were controlling the world secretly. Then there is my dear departed demented Aunt who KNEW the CIA and FBI were following her and using UFO's to keep track of her goings and comings...to the store and beauty parlor, I guess.
The trouble I have with conspiracy theories is that they give too much credit to mere humans to see and maneuver complex timings, events, people, and nature. In other words they violate the KISS and Occam Razor methods of looking at things. I am not saying that any or all of these theories, including my Aunt's, aren't true. I just know that is it awful easy to make facts fit a predetermined answer than to develop an answer from seemly unrelated facts.
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Ken Stallings
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Oh boy! I can't wait for what's on the way -
Nothing should be said in reply to that post, and I will say nothing in reply.
And no, I firmly believe this thread should remain firmly open -- banned from closing down. That's merely so the member who posted the remarks can understand how little credence his words are given.
Cheers,
Ken
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Ken Stallings
Guest
The Manhattan Project was leaked!
There was a Soviet mole with access to the project and this is why Joe Stalin was not surprised when Harry Truman advised him of the successful bomb test while he was attending the Potsdam Conference. Truman remarked immediately to his aides that Stalin knew ahead of time.
Years later, that suspicion was confirmed.
Ken
There was a Soviet mole with access to the project and this is why Joe Stalin was not surprised when Harry Truman advised him of the successful bomb test while he was attending the Potsdam Conference. Truman remarked immediately to his aides that Stalin knew ahead of time.
Years later, that suspicion was confirmed.
Ken
By posting this, you have said something in reply, and the message is loud and clear.
Please speak for yourself, sir.
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Ken Stallings
Guest
I did -- thank you for noticing!
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Tic, tic, tic.....
Henry
Retired SOH Administrator
yup i wonder who's stop watch we use
getting a little political and personal
arnt we fellas
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redriver6
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http://www.debunking911.com/index.html
luckydog
Charter Member 2014
http://www.conspiracytheories.us/
compartmentalization ?? :isadizzy::isadizzy:
There's a domino effect with theories in as much as soon as you knock one down the rest tend to follow. For the U.S. to organize such a ridiculously complicated plan where so many things could have gone wrong would surely have meant co-operation with the very people we are at war with now. So many cover-ups it would only be a matter of time before at least some were uncovered. It would need the help and support of way too many people and organizations.
compartmentalization ?? :isadizzy::isadizzy:
There's a domino effect with theories in as much as soon as you knock one down the rest tend to follow. For the U.S. to organize such a ridiculously complicated plan where so many things could have gone wrong would surely have meant co-operation with the very people we are at war with now. So many cover-ups it would only be a matter of time before at least some were uncovered. It would need the help and support of way too many people and organizations.
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tigisfat
Guest
I agree that times have changed regarding to secrets. While transporting the U-2 prototype to Nevada, Ben Rich's transport crew had a HUGE rig that nicked a greyhound bus. Lockheed bigwigs on the scene immediately pulled the bus driver aside and counseled him. They told him that it was a matter of national security that noone know anything about the events of the night. Lockheed payed for the damages on the spot and we never heard any more about it. If that were to happen today, the bus driver would've taken the money and then started hiring folks to arrange book and interview deals. I don't know if I'm going to say there's no patriotism left, but there is no trust left in the government and politicians.
Snuffy
Happiness Consultant
I can't say that I feel that anyone who voices conspiracy theroies are not patriotic. In their own odd way I suppose they are. They honestly feel that what they believe is for the betterment of their country, despite blaming their country.
But today's standards, of people telling all they know has really boiled down, not to a lack a patriotism as much as it is the basic greed of an individual. Everyone as their price now days, and the scandal sheet paying the most money will almost always get the story.
Society today also because of the leanings of the "right to know" group feel that everything that transpires in all aspects of life be it private, corporate, state, or federal, all this information needs to be processed and divulged. Whether its patriotism, or anti-patriotism I can't say, but one thing is for sure ... (and this is said alot in the contract employee business,) Money talks ... B.S. walks.
But today's standards, of people telling all they know has really boiled down, not to a lack a patriotism as much as it is the basic greed of an individual. Everyone as their price now days, and the scandal sheet paying the most money will almost always get the story.
Society today also because of the leanings of the "right to know" group feel that everything that transpires in all aspects of life be it private, corporate, state, or federal, all this information needs to be processed and divulged. Whether its patriotism, or anti-patriotism I can't say, but one thing is for sure ... (and this is said alot in the contract employee business,) Money talks ... B.S. walks.
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