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A 40 ton whale prang's a sailboat

Then allow me to clarify (we certainly have a problem reading each other's intent, don't we? :wiggle: ).

I used the term in quotes to denote that they are an aquatic foodstuff. Just like carp, salmon, tuna, etc. The rest of the time was as a general aquatic descriptor.

Wales are no different than fish or buffalo or cows. We don't seem to get all misty-eyed over our beef stock, yet wales are afforded this almost angelic pedestal due to some sort of deification from an overstretched sense of guilt from our past over-harvesting.

Those big, sleepy doe eyes. The languid motion. The way they care for their young. Lots of anthropomorphism. Which is ridiculous.

As I said, the only manner in which they should be protected is to help their numbers rebound to a sustainable amount with harvesting factored into the equation. Then, the strict quotas on amounts harvested should be enforced to make sure the species is sustainable.
 
Wing_Z said:
Maybe it has to do with the tourist industry...

Whatever, here's a list of countries involved with whaling:

Canada, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Island of Bequia, Saint Lucia, Japan, Iceland, Norway, Faroe Islands, Greenland, Indonesia, Russia and The United States of America.
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I'm glad you brought that up - I was going to say something along those lines in my next post.

Now I don't have to. :)
 
OK, so there's life, and then there's "Human life". Only the latter counts. I see. Wonder how that'll work out as we continue to dismantle the ecosystem. Let's keep doing what we're doing. Short-sighted, short-lived greed. That's working real well, huh?

Then again, who cares? Hopefully you and I will be long dead before any of this comes back to really bite us, right?

I'm done here.
 
Ghostrider said:
OK, so there's life, and then there's "Human life". Only the latter counts. I see. Wonder how that'll work out as we continue to dismantle the ecosystem. Let's keep doing what we're doing. Short-sighted, short-lived greed. That's working real well, huh?

Then again, who cares? Hopefully you and I will be long dead before any of this comes back to really bite us, right?

I'm done here.
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Did you miss the part where I said they should be brought back to sustainable levels with harvesting factored in? The way I'm talking about would keep the ecosystem intact as the whales wouldn't be hunted into extinction.
 
I believe in managed harvests, and being responsible caretakers of this planet. Mankind has long ago been identified as the cancer of the Earth. We've done harm like no other species and need to figure out a plan, and quickly.
 
Bone said:
I believe in managed harvests, and being responsible caretakers of this planet. Mankind has long ago been identified as the cancer of the Earth. We've done harm like no other species and need to figure out a plan, and quickly.
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I completely agree. The Matrix was quite illuminating to me in that regard.

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.
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No, I didn't miss that part, CS, but we are a looong way from whales having a fair chance at survival without a moratorium. And I'm talking specifically about hunting the great whales with fleets of factory whaling ships. I'm not talking about an Innuit tribe killing one whale a year from their sealskin kayaks.

I have not seen the matrix, but that quote is right on. Like I said, my hope is that our species can wise up before it's too late. "There is no more new frontier - we have got to make it here."

With that, I'll sign off - we seem to haev found some mutual understanding, and that's good.
 
BINGO

Bone said:
I believe in managed harvests, and being responsible caretakers of this planet. Mankind has long ago been identified as the cancer of the Earth. We've done harm like no other species and need to figure out a plan, and quickly.
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Well said, Bone.
 
Nothing wrong with protecting endangered species. Restricted whale harvesting will do that. But the actions of the zealots on Sea Sheppard are criminal and should be treated as such. The "ends" do NOT justify the "means". The FACT is, the Japanese, and others, are committing no crime- regardless of your opinion about whaling.

Seems to be a bit of self-hatred for meerly being a member of the human race going on around here. There's therapy available for that.

:running:
 
Maybe that 1st photograph was faked after all - in the first image you can see coast in the background and the image is very sharp. In the second there is only ocean in the background and a ship although the lighting hasn't changed much so camera seems to be still looking in the same position. And the skipper in the first shot does not seem to notice the whale coming at him at all - a real stealther! :bump:
 
You can still see the coast - just look behind the tanker in the second pic. Plus, with the tanker in the way, the camera's exposure would work to fit it in, not the faint coast in the background.
 
Ghostrider said:
"Things are not always as they seem - the humans on Planet earth had always assumed that they were the most intelligent creatures because they had accomplished so much - the wheel, New York, wars, and so on, while all the dolphins (small whales) ever did was muck around in the water having a good time. The dolphins, on the other hand, always assumed that they were the most intelligent creatures on earth - for precisely the same reasons."

- Douglas Adams - Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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So long and thanks for all the fish!:jump:
 
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