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A2A P-40 Warhawk (accu) now released (payware)
- Thread starter YoYo
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Money well spent!
Ok, like always I like to do a quick first flight impressions WITHOUT reading the manual.
Pit is what you expect from these guys. You will quickly forget the old Warhawk. The familiar shift 2-3-4-5 shows everything you need to know and also a neat icon option that shows the flap/gear position. Usefull feature trust me. More on that soon enough.
Quick started the engine,got smokey quick so you know the drill, add some rpms. Put down the flap lever. Nothing.... Dont need no flaps so throttle forward,glanced down to watch the R's, Manif pressure,temps. A quick glance up and yup, I am skating across the runway. Lift off, big wing drop yikes, and up to about 500 agl. Whoa this bird needs to be flown cowboy style.... Pull up the gear handle and..... nothing. Look around, nope, glance up and I am heading straight at the ground! Grit my teeth, pull back hard and pray. Barely cleared a hill by 100 ft. If you have not figured it out, this is not a plane you spend much time looking betreen your legs. The P40's stick want to be held at all times. A very quick panel scan needs to be practiced. Handles very realistically. Very fluid and responsive as if the air has been thinned out. Sounds are impressive. Nice aluminum creaking and audio feedback for stress.speed,wind ect.BTW- I broke a tradition and actually whipped out the manual to figure out how to operate the gear/flaps. They both require pressing the hyd button on the control stick. The flap handle is a little quirky with my mouse as it jumps full,up, mid very quickly making it difficult to smoothly control. Lots of trim needed for any power, control surface changes so be ready. Downwind power back, the gear/flap ritual, trimmed out over the fence at 100, flare, decent vis around the nose for a nice firm landing.
Ok, thats one flight around the patch for the books. Another solid A2a release and the best feeling,immersive flight model yet.
Ok, like always I like to do a quick first flight impressions WITHOUT reading the manual.
Pit is what you expect from these guys. You will quickly forget the old Warhawk. The familiar shift 2-3-4-5 shows everything you need to know and also a neat icon option that shows the flap/gear position. Usefull feature trust me. More on that soon enough.
Quick started the engine,got smokey quick so you know the drill, add some rpms. Put down the flap lever. Nothing.... Dont need no flaps so throttle forward,glanced down to watch the R's, Manif pressure,temps. A quick glance up and yup, I am skating across the runway. Lift off, big wing drop yikes, and up to about 500 agl. Whoa this bird needs to be flown cowboy style.... Pull up the gear handle and..... nothing. Look around, nope, glance up and I am heading straight at the ground! Grit my teeth, pull back hard and pray. Barely cleared a hill by 100 ft. If you have not figured it out, this is not a plane you spend much time looking betreen your legs. The P40's stick want to be held at all times. A very quick panel scan needs to be practiced. Handles very realistically. Very fluid and responsive as if the air has been thinned out. Sounds are impressive. Nice aluminum creaking and audio feedback for stress.speed,wind ect.BTW- I broke a tradition and actually whipped out the manual to figure out how to operate the gear/flaps. They both require pressing the hyd button on the control stick. The flap handle is a little quirky with my mouse as it jumps full,up, mid very quickly making it difficult to smoothly control. Lots of trim needed for any power, control surface changes so be ready. Downwind power back, the gear/flap ritual, trimmed out over the fence at 100, flare, decent vis around the nose for a nice firm landing.
Ok, thats one flight around the patch for the books. Another solid A2a release and the best feeling,immersive flight model yet.
strykerpsg
SOH-CM-2023
Man, this one poses a tough dilemma for me. P-40 not really my cup of tea, but absolutely love all the accusim attention to detail. Dwelling......dwelling some more.....
Jankee's doesn't make it any easier with his magnificent paints too. All that's missing is some fantastic video from Cody now
Truly looks great!
Matt
Jankee's doesn't make it any easier with his magnificent paints too. All that's missing is some fantastic video from Cody now
Truly looks great!
Matt
Roadburner440
Charter Member 2010
Just give in... Is what I do EVERY time I even think "I am not interested, and am going to pass & wait on the P-51." I now have a B377 (never heard of it before) with COTS, a P-47D, J-3 Cub, B-17G (which I did want from the beginning
), a Spitfire (never heard of it before), and now a P-40 waiting to be installed.... Whew that is a long list. They are all fun to fly though, and get regular use. Now after the P-51 comes out that may change, but until then. Then the P-51 will eventually be replaced by the Phantom. 
jetstreamsky
Charter Member
It"s another quality model from A2A but I find the sound level inside is too muted, to get any sense of being there I have to set the volume very high, which isn"t so good when you pop outside. I thought maybe the headphones option was set default, but switching that made things a lot quieter.
Also i find the rough engine noises at low throttle do not transition to the cockpit sounds, so it"s quite surprising when you hear them outside.
Also i find the rough engine noises at low throttle do not transition to the cockpit sounds, so it"s quite surprising when you hear them outside.
CodyValkyrie
Charter Member 2016
The video on the first post of this topic is a Jaggyroad Films video mate, filmed by yours truly. I hope you like it and it gives you some different perspectives of the aircraft. Also, don't forget Scott's systems rundown video which is available on the product page.
strykerpsg
SOH-CM-2023
Damn, was looking for the cop out...now you've got me painted into the proverbial corner.
I will probably buy it next month, as P-40 was one of my all time favorites as a plastic model kit when I was a kid. Just post xmas fiscal blahs.....
BTW, it was your video that truly enchanted me when released, and usually pushes me to buy the releases.
Matt
Roadburner440
Charter Member 2010
A lot of people have been commenting about this on their forums.. Scott says that is the way the 40 sounds from the cockpit, and I'd take his word for that. My personal preference is I'd rather have the sound the way it is in real life vs louder just so there is something loud to listen to in the pit. This is something FS Dev's have been trying to overcome for years, and something PMDG talks about frequently. How people expect to hear certain things when in reality you wouldn't, so developers put sounds in that otherwise wouldn't be there. Granted I have never sat in/started one of these warbirds in real life. Seeing them at various airshows however they are much quieter than I ever expected the first time I saw any of the V-12 types start and taxi past those of us in the crowd. I bought & downloaded it yesterday but still have not installed/flown it. So I guess I will see how quiet it is then. From the last video Scott posted all I could really hear in his VC view was the supercharger. Which is fine by me. On a side note did you try flying with the canopy open?
I used to do that a lot when the P-47 first came out. Now I find myself using the earphone button. Same in the B-17. Spitfire is actually quiet enough where you don't need the headphone button, but probably because you have the fuel tanks between the engine and the cockpit to provide a makeshift sound barrier.
CodyValkyrie
Charter Member 2016
LOL! Sorry mate. I appreciate the kind words.
I think I myself may be looking to find a nice model kit or otherwise of the P-40B/C. Suggestions?
I think I myself may be looking to find a nice model kit or otherwise of the P-40B/C. Suggestions?
strykerpsg
SOH-CM-2023
Cody, I would try here: http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0095P?FVSEARCH=P40&FVPROFIL=W+&search=Go
Academy and MRC are top mark and Hasegawa's not bad either. Academy though, has begun setting much higher standards with their other releases, by adding much of the additional cockpit details the others lack.
Matt
How about one that actually flies?
http://www.nitroplanes.com/93a40-green-rtf-24g-eretract.html
A2A: thanks again for this AMAZING plane!
jetstreamsky
Charter Member
A lot of people have been commenting about this on their forums.. Scott says that is the way the 40 sounds from the cockpit, and I'd take his word for that. My personal preference is I'd rather have the sound the way it is in real life vs louder just so there is something loud to listen to in the pit. This is something FS Dev's have been trying to overcome for years, and something PMDG talks about frequently. How people expect to hear certain things when in reality you wouldn't, so developers put sounds in that otherwise wouldn't be there. Granted I have never sat in/started one of these warbirds in real life. Seeing them at various airshows however they are much quieter than I ever expected the first time I saw any of the V-12 types start and taxi past those of us in the crowd. I bought & downloaded it yesterday but still have not installed/flown it. So I guess I will see how quiet it is then. From the last video Scott posted all I could really hear in his VC view was the supercharger. Which is fine by me. On a side note did you try flying with the canopy open?
Oh I agree the sound is best when rerepresentative of the real deal, I'd be very surprised if the cockpit of any V12 is this quiet though, unless the outside is so noisy by comparison that I need to turn up both levels equally. I find the Spitfire sounds just great inside and out, but the P-40 seems disconnected. I think it's wonderful how the canopy position affects things, just another example of the A2A eye for detail that really adds to the experience. I too am not looking for loudness, just aural feedback in keeping with expectations and perhaps those expectations are just wrong on my part, but it just doesn't seem right to me.
Sound perception is so subjective, but unless we’re talking about some weird bug (which is not likely, but possible), let me just explain a few things.
First, when idling the Allison, it gets really quiet when you close the canopy on the P-40. The Accu-Sim version does re-create this. Whereas the Merlin you get a lot of deep combustion that seems to push right through the canopy, on the Allison, you hear mostly the whining of the supercharger gears (which are situated in the back of the engine, right in front of your feet). You barely hear these gears in the Merlin. So If you want a lot of sound at idle in the Allison-powered P-40, open the canopy.
However, when you start to throttle it up, both engines get quite loud both inside and out. The word “loud” is an understatement. Standing next to a Merlin exhaust stack at power, even with proper ear protection, the volume is so extreme, it passes right through your head. Only serious microphones have a prayer of capturing these engines properly.
Also, the P-40 did have a good deal of canopy noise in flight.
Scott.
First, when idling the Allison, it gets really quiet when you close the canopy on the P-40. The Accu-Sim version does re-create this. Whereas the Merlin you get a lot of deep combustion that seems to push right through the canopy, on the Allison, you hear mostly the whining of the supercharger gears (which are situated in the back of the engine, right in front of your feet). You barely hear these gears in the Merlin. So If you want a lot of sound at idle in the Allison-powered P-40, open the canopy.
However, when you start to throttle it up, both engines get quite loud both inside and out. The word “loud” is an understatement. Standing next to a Merlin exhaust stack at power, even with proper ear protection, the volume is so extreme, it passes right through your head. Only serious microphones have a prayer of capturing these engines properly.
Also, the P-40 did have a good deal of canopy noise in flight.
Scott.
I have always been picky about sounds and over the years built up a large library of sounds to customize each plane. A2A is one of the few where I rarely tweak with them. I did notice the engine is not as loud as others but thats a good thing. A engine thats to loud overpowers all the other sounds such as gear,flaps,ground roll,touchdowns which to me are just as important.
I have lost a good deal of my hearing,left ear 25%, from many many years of loud engines. If sim sounds were done "real life" they would be a garbled,muffled and a headache would be almost certain.
I use a Pyramat gaming chair,no not the ones that you sit on floor, but more of a executive chair. Its got 2 tweeters by your head and a subwoofer under your butt. I know with the Spit when I crank the volumn and push the throttle to full, my eyes bounce around so much I cannot read the screen!
For the guys who insist on a louder engine, thats usually easy to do with a few edits but I will leave that to the devs to disclose.
I have lost a good deal of my hearing,left ear 25%, from many many years of loud engines. If sim sounds were done "real life" they would be a garbled,muffled and a headache would be almost certain.
I use a Pyramat gaming chair,no not the ones that you sit on floor, but more of a executive chair. Its got 2 tweeters by your head and a subwoofer under your butt. I know with the Spit when I crank the volumn and push the throttle to full, my eyes bounce around so much I cannot read the screen!
For the guys who insist on a louder engine, thats usually easy to do with a few edits but I will leave that to the devs to disclose.
jankees
SOH-CM-2025
the only problem I have with the sounds is that the engine sometimes seems just to be ticking over in external view, but sounds like much higher power, or more revs if you like, inside the cockpit. Is that really so, or just my impression?
Anyway, I just uploaded my two RAF paints on OZx, enjoy them!
Anyway, I just uploaded my two RAF paints on OZx, enjoy them!
Kowalski65
Charter Member
Just got it with some of the money left over allocated to my Xmas pressies. Now just to find the time to fly it!
Loved the WOP2 version-this looks even better
Loved the WOP2 version-this looks even better
As far as the pit being too quiet, I have not found that to true at all from my perspective. Granted, it is quieter compared to some engines, but the sound level seems about right for an engine which Scott described as in fact being relatively "quiet". And once the throttle is added, it gets pretty loud too, enough so that headphones are indeed welcomed. Sounds about right then for me on my end.
Overall a great plane!
Overall a great plane!