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A2A Statement

kiki said:
I have always been interested of their products but haven't purchased any of them since the Cub simply because of the price tags. Hopefully this wont happen once again.
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I think that's wishful thinking. Given the amount of time, research, detailed engine/system/VC integration and work on the accusim module to get their airplanes to the level they demand, their prices will always be the highest. If they release anything via "The Airplane Factory" label, that might be your best bet to find something in a lower price range. . .but their Accusim Models will never ever be in the "moderate price range".
 
falcon409 said:
I think that's wishful thinking. Given the amount of time, research, detailed engine/system/VC integration and work on the accusim module to get their airplanes to the level they demand, their prices will always be the highest. If they release anything via "The Airplane Factory" label, that might be your best bet to find something in a lower price range. . .but their Accusim Models will never ever be in the "moderate price range".
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Yep, agree.
Them and PMDG are top of the pyramid and their prices reflect it. I have always watched with interest as new stuff comes out with ever rising prices that challenge the market.
Where is the tipping point? where does too much become too much?
We want the best experience and so are prepared to pay for it but at what point does it become too much for most of us. How many people have how much disposable income in our very niche market place?
 
menef said:
A2A products for me are controversial :
I do like the visual aspect but I think that if Accusim would be part
of real world aircraft and A2A would have been a real world aircraft
manufacturer, personally I wouldn't have flown ANY of its planes.
I' ve logged more than 50 hours in real 172 SP without any problem.
Conversely I've found the engine operation of A2A 172 SP accusimmed problematic and too much delicate.
The well known 172 floating ground effect before the landing flare
is simply funny : It should be reduced by at least the 40%.
A2A WOP3 P51D Accusimmed : if it is installed I've further problems with the 172 (sound and FDE) so I can't have both planes
installed at the same time, furthermore the Mustang struggles to
climb like an heavy chicken-always-on-the-edge-of-stall.
I've done everything in the right order following A2A suggestions about accusim upgrades and so on but nothing .
On my brand new PC there's only the 172 installed and now I'm afraid to install also P40&P47... Just my experience, and when I start to have too much troubles with payware expensive products
I can't say : I do like this developer...
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Your remarks about the C172 are certainly valid, however there was definitely something wrong with your Mustang.
I have all of the Accusim warbirds and the Mustang climbs very easilly, it is quite light and powerful. The only Accusim warbird that has problems to climb is the P-47, when I load it with full fuel and biggest external fuel tanks.

Concerning the "conflicts" between the C-172 and the Mustang however, this is not the first time I see that. A friend of mine had the same problem with the C-172 and the Spitfire. He has not been able to get the Spitfire to work properly. The Accusim update would always mess it up completely, to the point that the maintenance hangar would never open (it kept showing the red label, like when you didn't set your parking brakes). A2A has not fixed the issues I think, so that might explain the problems of your Mustang, perhaps ?

That being said, I fully agree about the remark made earlier in this thread, about "there's A2A, and there's everything else far second".
Yes, Milviz and a few others make great models and excellent systems. But let's not compare a warbird with a modern jet. Let's compare warbirds with warbirds. Accusim warbirds are alive, simple as this. When I switch to other warbirds from other companies, no matter how good they look, they don't provide this "alive" feeling that Accusim does. And this begins right when you start the engine.

Now, concerning that pseudo "development non-update", I made a remark about this on the A2A forums already. Of course I understand they want to be careful and not promise anything they can't deliver anymore (F-104, F-4, T-33 anyone ? :pop4: ). But what was the point of such an update really ? I would have prefered them to wait a little bit more and at least be able to tell what they were working on.
 
falcon409 said:
I think that's wishful thinking. Given the amount of time, research, detailed engine/system/VC integration and work on the accusim module to get their airplanes to the level they demand, their prices will always be the highest. If they release anything via "The Airplane Factory" label, that might be your best bet to find something in a lower price range. . .but their Accusim Models will never ever be in the "moderate price range".
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There are sales for Accusim planes sometimes. Very rare, I admit.
 
I have 12 years of GA flight experience. With a couple of exceptions in the early stages of A2A development I have yet to have a problem with A2A aircraft. Scott is very detail oriented and demands the best effort out of his team. Are they the top of the pyramid...not necessarily but they sure rate a 10 with me. I have many fine aircraft from various developers that could never be replaced and that includes some freeware from developers here in the forum. I've just recently acquired a flight manual for the DC-4 from an old pilot who flew thousands of hours in one and he and I share the same love for Flight Replicas DC-4. A2A makes great aircraft, not just good, but GREAT. However, we have been blessed with some awesome developers(freeware and payware) in FSX and it has made such a tremendous impact on virtual flying. :applause::applause::applause:
Ted
 
Daube said:
. . . . .Now, concerning that pseudo "development non-update", I made a remark about this on the A2A forums already. Of course I understand they want to be careful and not promise anything they can't deliver anymore (F-104, F-4, T-33 anyone?). But what was the point of such an update really ? I would have preferred them to wait a little bit more and at least be able to tell what they were working on.
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lol, I read your post Daube and had to laugh. The announcement really was much ado about nothing. Like you, I understand their need to refrain from promises, especially for anything specific, but it seemed to be more of. . . ."We will remain detail oriented, striving for perfection in all our models and when we release "them" we think you'll be very happy with what we've released", lol. . . .Okie Dokie!
 
I agree Ted,

The reason that A2A posted as they did was because of many forum members asking if there would be a release before Christmas.

As for the posts about A2A here complaining about A2A products it would be advantageous to you if you posted on their forum and not here.

We had this problem with Aeroplane heaven which resulted in Bassa leaving the forum for exactly this reason.

If you cannot say it to their face then don't say it.

I have all of the A2A products and they all work perfectly and I think they are amongst the best on the market.

I am not a member of the A2A team or affiliated to them in any way.

Cheers Chris
 
Do A2A planes cost too much?
I have all but three of their planes, whether accu-sim came with the plane or it was an option, they were all close to $50.
If I broke down the $50 by the number of hours I have spent flying that plane, it's somewhat cheap.
Over the years I have bought plenty of $30 planes that I ended up not using for more than a few hours.

When it costs $10 to see just one two hour movie, the $50 Plane from A2A that has given me 80 hours of entertainment is a bargain.
I've never met Scott, but I think it's very clear that he cares about the people who buy his products, a good businessman knows that loyal customers are the best thing you can have.

If there is one thing I wish A2A would do, it's....Please bring out an accu-sim bush plane, or do an expansion pack for your Cessnas that include float and tundra models.
 
For those on steam, A2A's cub is there, and it may or may not but most likely will be discounted in about 3 days or specifically 93 hours, 30 minutes, 55 seconds.
 
Rudyjo said:
Do A2A planes cost too much?
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I have a few A2A models in my hanger, although my favorite A2A aircraft is out in the mothball fleet since they have not updated the 377 for P3D (3 or 4).
50$ is usually my limit for any aircraft, no matter how good it is. A2A is one of those sellers who charge more if you want to run it on P3D professional compared to the academic license version, even though there difference between them.
 
I'm absolutely in the camp of feeling that A2A planes are the best value in flight sim - because of the higher level of enjoyment I get from them than any other developer I've found.

I've attempted to find a sim model of most planes I've spent a significant amount of time flying in real life. I've found good renditions of several planes, but there are three that really stand out and truly remind me of operating their real world counterparts: the PMDG NGX, and A2A's accusimmed J-3 and T-6. I still literally break out in a grin every time I load up that little Cub. For my money, it's the "friendliest" airplane ever built (though it can certainly be a challenge), and the A2A rendition actually captures that.

Their T-6 is not only very true to life as well, but the single most realistic simulation of taildragger behavior I've ever seen.

I'd rather have spent $100 apiece for these two planes than all the $20-$30 models that disappoint in some way.

Of course, YMMV. The fun of a hobby like this is that we can all decide what we'd like to get out of it, and it's usually possible to find that. I don't think anyone can argue that A2A isn't one of the very best developers for our sims, though. In both a tangible (measurable performance) and intangible (they actually remind me of real airplanes and that makes me happy) way, their stuff really is about the best around.

I guess the chances of an A2A Beaver or Otter is about nil now, but boy would it get my money! ;-)
 
This place is called Sim-Outhouse "The Combat Flight Centre" for a reason. When A2A went into GA and airliners, I lost my interest in them. They might make nice product, but not very appealing to me. Although my common sense tell me not to expect anything, but I still hope they will surprise me by making a nice Bf109 Emil.

About their announcement...... I have already seen too many announcements made by Scott. And this announcement is just an announcement, to announce that there is currently nothing to announce.

Cheers,
Huub
 
huub vink said:
This place is called Sim-Outhouse "The Combat Flight Centre" for a reason. When A2A went into GA and airliners, I lost my interest in them. They might make nice product, but not very appealing to me. Although my common sense tell me not to expect anything, but I still hope they will surprise me by making a nice Bf109 Emil.

About their announcement...... I have already seen too many announcements made by Scott. And this announcement is just an announcement, to announce that there is currently nothing to announce.

Cheers,
Huub
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Way to go Huub! A nice Emil would be great!

Cees
 
In regards to what Stearmandriver said about the A2A Cub, I agree. As simple as it is, it is a pleasure to play with it.
This plane is a great example of what you get from A2A. Three items: You can start the engine by pulling the prop by hand..... Lift the rear wheel off the ground by holding the brakes and increasing the RPM's... and to me , the nicest effect is to turn the magneto's off in mid flight, allow the engine to stop and then turn the magneto's back on. Put the plane into a slight dive and watch the prop begin to turn, at the right RPM the engine will restart.

The Cub was my first A2A plane and it had me hooked on their planes.
 
I may have to download my last few CIVILIAN aircraft from the warbirds library and follow you Nick

Cheers Chris
 
ncooper said:
Yes, I'm only here because of the DDW C47.
Perhaps it's time to go.
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Ha ha, I used to fly mainly warbirds, especially in Fs9, but latterly I fly mainly civvies and the SOH caters for all tastes these days.
 
Why are they being so insecure?? They and PMDG are the uncontested kings of Microsoft based flight sim.. It seems very odd to me that they should feel they have to make a non commital statement at s point when the entire global fan base is will to wait till hell freezes over for anything, whether they make it or not..
 
warchild said:
Why are they being so insecure?? They and PMDG are the uncontested kings of Microsoft based flight sim.. It seems very odd to me that they should feel they have to make a non commital statement at s point when the entire global fan base is will to wait till hell freezes over for anything, whether they make it or not..
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I bet they are being pestered with 'what' and 'when' questions....and omitted the ideal one-word response...

...."Patience." ...;)
 
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