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A2A WOPIII P-47 Out Now!!!
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jankees
SOH-CM-2025
Good to hear, since I've uploaded a few more:
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
Thankfully, I did not send up "Miss Mary Lou" last night
Because I had it all wrong, basically. Not much to edit and change on the main textures, the white tails should be natural metal, not problem there, delete the white tail layer. And I found a photo that shows Miss Mary Lou on both sides of the cowling! No problem again, duplicate the layer, rotate it and position. Boom done, easy five minute fix!
Wait a minute idiot, ya got to change the Alpha and the spec and the spec's Alpha! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
You guys beginning to get the idea of how frustration sometimes sets in on a simple task! :karate:
But it's all been corrected and uploaded this morning. Now you should have a correct "Miss Mary Lou". I wish I had thought to attached the 5-in. rockets as in the b & w photos in the screens, which were take from Guam.
And hey, I made my best landing to date on the Thunderhulk! It's tough lining up a runway with that hose-nose. :ernae:
Caz
Because I had it all wrong, basically. Not much to edit and change on the main textures, the white tails should be natural metal, not problem there, delete the white tail layer. And I found a photo that shows Miss Mary Lou on both sides of the cowling! No problem again, duplicate the layer, rotate it and position. Boom done, easy five minute fix!
Wait a minute idiot, ya got to change the Alpha and the spec and the spec's Alpha! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
You guys beginning to get the idea of how frustration sometimes sets in on a simple task! :karate:
But it's all been corrected and uploaded this morning. Now you should have a correct "Miss Mary Lou". I wish I had thought to attached the 5-in. rockets as in the b & w photos in the screens, which were take from Guam.
And hey, I made my best landing to date on the Thunderhulk! It's tough lining up a runway with that hose-nose. :ernae:
Caz
Kowalski65
Charter Member
Is that the sound of Caz screaming I can hear?:faint:
I have to say it's dead inconsiderate of those WWII pilots not to take all angle pics in colour
But these repaints are drop dead gorgeous,& I am adding all of them
I have to say it's dead inconsiderate of those WWII pilots not to take all angle pics in colour
But these repaints are drop dead gorgeous,& I am adding all of them
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
That could be an optional texture for sure, but it would have to be an entirely new set of textures and another .cfg entry. If I were to do anything else, I would stretch the "Miss Mary Lou" logo a little further toward the front and perhaps slide the serial nos. back just a tad back. I have been a plastic modeler since 1958 Jan, I am most anal on getting things right. :d
It doesn't bother me in the least Kowalski65, it is more an impedance on you fellows that have already downloaded the incorrect textures and the SOH staff that have to except these huge uploads every time I edited something to make it correct.
My profile does not show the blue fuselage stripe, however. Note also that the area behind the rear glazings should "not" be Interior Green, it should be olive drab, and if one wishes to add wear, fade it. When the USAAF started using Natural Metal unpainted finishes, many times this remained OD, some were overpainted in IG, while most had all paint removed or were unpainted at the factory and remained Natural Metal. I am one to talk, because I am too lax at times checking my own references, but look at your references. And "DO NOT" go by an artist's profile or painting, they are most times always incorrect, use tonal variations or colors photography. The area that covers the glazings in on the Parts layer in the Paint Kit around the seatback. Here's an image for those interested. If you paint if faded OD, there is no need to worry about the Alpha, but if you do a natural metal, you will have to change the Alpha, spec, and spec Alpha.
Caz
It doesn't bother me in the least Kowalski65, it is more an impedance on you fellows that have already downloaded the incorrect textures and the SOH staff that have to except these huge uploads every time I edited something to make it correct.
My profile does not show the blue fuselage stripe, however. Note also that the area behind the rear glazings should "not" be Interior Green, it should be olive drab, and if one wishes to add wear, fade it. When the USAAF started using Natural Metal unpainted finishes, many times this remained OD, some were overpainted in IG, while most had all paint removed or were unpainted at the factory and remained Natural Metal. I am one to talk, because I am too lax at times checking my own references, but look at your references. And "DO NOT" go by an artist's profile or painting, they are most times always incorrect, use tonal variations or colors photography. The area that covers the glazings in on the Parts layer in the Paint Kit around the seatback. Here's an image for those interested. If you paint if faded OD, there is no need to worry about the Alpha, but if you do a natural metal, you will have to change the Alpha, spec, and spec Alpha.
Caz
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
Jan,
I note in my first photo that the cowl flaps appear OD by tonal match as your profile shows. However, in the second photo, there is clearly a tonal difference in the color of the cowl flaps and that of the fuselage OD. I like the blue anyhow, going to Carolina in my mind. :d
Caz
I note in my first photo that the cowl flaps appear OD by tonal match as your profile shows. However, in the second photo, there is clearly a tonal difference in the color of the cowl flaps and that of the fuselage OD. I like the blue anyhow, going to Carolina in my mind. :d
Caz
When working from period photos of the real source aircraft I always make a black & white screenshot for comparison. Just take a screenshot similar in angle to the real photo and desaturate it. Then compare your tones and shades etc.
So using this method on one of your screenshots I think the cowl flaps were not painted in that bright blue colour.
So using this method on one of your screenshots I think the cowl flaps were not painted in that bright blue colour.
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
If going by the photograph like I should, yes. If going by the profile, which I did, they are matched up. But I think I shall resize them with the "Miss Mary Lou" names. I am also going to change the blue to a True Blue from the lighter Carolina Blue i have and resize the serials back ever so little at the front.
Also, you have to consider film and lighting conditions. Again, and most likely errant, I went by the profile, I came upon it before I came upon the photos.
Has any one done Grabreski's early D that was done in Medium Green over Sky? I think I may tackle that one next.
Caz
OMG CAMO, yesss!!!! there was a hole in my soul, and i couldnt figure out what it was, until now. Thank you!
Not sure where that profile came from Caz but those colors seem way too bright. Here is the same aircraft with colors that more closely match the US standard of that time:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/350/3/7/34
Barry
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/350/3/7/34
Barry
jankees
SOH-CM-2025
look what I found!
As far as I can see, no stripe on the fuselage. The cowl flaps look OD to me too. Also fun to see that the stars'n bars are very shiny, while the OD is not. I usually make the roundel dull, maybe I should change that.
Caz, if you like, I also have a hi-res version (4500x3500 pixels), I can try and mail it to you? Send me a pm with your adress if you want it, OK?
As far as I can see, no stripe on the fuselage. The cowl flaps look OD to me too. Also fun to see that the stars'n bars are very shiny, while the OD is not. I usually make the roundel dull, maybe I should change that.
Caz, if you like, I also have a hi-res version (4500x3500 pixels), I can try and mail it to you? Send me a pm with your adress if you want it, OK?
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
Not as large, but a much more accurate profile, my thanks Barvan.
It also shows the candy-stripe prop hub.
Does anyone know for sure whether it was US medium Green uppers or British Dark Green? I do know it was not OD. Grabreski used British color camo for all of his Thunderbolts.
Caz
Cazzie I would think given the fact that it was painted with British paint it would be an RAF dark green upper colour. The colours of the default "Miss Behave" texture are dark green upper and sky underside. Obviously if you get close it will look fine, there were so many tonal differences from factory to factory (paint production), that there were some very stark differences of the same colour. Also the different ages & exposure to the elements of the paintwork would make for a very wide variety of different same colours. Also the blue stripe on the tail looks to be the exact same tone as the OD so you are correct to change the blue. So it could be possible the cowl flaps are indeed painted in the darker blue given the almost perfect match for the OD.
I'm sure you already know this
One more thing I noticed looking at the photo Jan has posted. The C on the fuselage side is distinctly RAF in style, it is curved at the corners and not at all like the USAAF stenciling in the profiles. The thing to be wary off when using profiles is that you are working to someone else's interpretation. I find the best method is to work as much as possible from photos. For the most part the markings and layout are identical throughout the flight/squadron so find as many photos of other aircraft in the same FG/squadron to fill in the blanks
For example I had four different profiles of "Miss Lorraine" that differed quite a lot from profile to profile. Luckily I had one decent B&W photo of "Miss Lorraine" and a few others of the same squadron that showed the black ID band layout on the wings. So "Miss Lorraine" is a composite of a decent photo, one decent profile and the rest was done using clues from other aircraft from the same FG/squadron.
The "Miss Rockette" photo I have attached seem to show a darker colour on the cowl flaps as does at least one or two other photos of the same FG.
I'm sure you already know this
One more thing I noticed looking at the photo Jan has posted. The C on the fuselage side is distinctly RAF in style, it is curved at the corners and not at all like the USAAF stenciling in the profiles. The thing to be wary off when using profiles is that you are working to someone else's interpretation. I find the best method is to work as much as possible from photos. For the most part the markings and layout are identical throughout the flight/squadron so find as many photos of other aircraft in the same FG/squadron to fill in the blanks
For example I had four different profiles of "Miss Lorraine" that differed quite a lot from profile to profile. Luckily I had one decent B&W photo of "Miss Lorraine" and a few others of the same squadron that showed the black ID band layout on the wings. So "Miss Lorraine" is a composite of a decent photo, one decent profile and the rest was done using clues from other aircraft from the same FG/squadron.
The "Miss Rockette" photo I have attached seem to show a darker colour on the cowl flaps as does at least one or two other photos of the same FG.
jankees
SOH-CM-2025
Whoops, one of my more stupid actions.
I was almost finished with a new paintjob, when I accidentaly closed Photoshop, without saving of course...AAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!
Luckily, I had just done a test flight, and I managed to do most of the last corrections with the bmp I used for that. So, if there is anything you don't like about this repaint, you'd better keep your mouth shut, because I am not going to redraw everything!
I was almost finished with a new paintjob, when I accidentaly closed Photoshop, without saving of course...AAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!
Luckily, I had just done a test flight, and I managed to do most of the last corrections with the bmp I used for that. So, if there is anything you don't like about this repaint, you'd better keep your mouth shut, because I am not going to redraw everything!
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
Miss Mary Lou redux
Okay, between the gang here and my modeling buddies, I think I have "Miss Mary Lou" as good as I can get it.
Using the better photos and profiles along with photos of Lee Kolosna's model of "Miss Mary Lou", I amended all the injustices I had paid it.
I changed the color in the "Miss Mary Lou" name to match the blue and I stretched it a little further forward.
I changed the code letter "C" from Amarillo Font to RAF type 841 Font.
The blue stripe on the tail was too wide, I made it narrower, the serials were too large, I made them more correct in size and also relocated then to a more more proper position as per the photo jankees sent me, many thanks Jan.
I'll have to get another package and upload it to SOH for those like me, who wish all to be as proper as can be.
I cannot move the aerial wiring post to starboard like it should be, nor can I nudge the antenna a couple tick to port like it should be, but this is as close as I am going to try, got to move on to another paint.
Caz
Okay, between the gang here and my modeling buddies, I think I have "Miss Mary Lou" as good as I can get it.
Using the better photos and profiles along with photos of Lee Kolosna's model of "Miss Mary Lou", I amended all the injustices I had paid it.
I changed the color in the "Miss Mary Lou" name to match the blue and I stretched it a little further forward.
I changed the code letter "C" from Amarillo Font to RAF type 841 Font.
The blue stripe on the tail was too wide, I made it narrower, the serials were too large, I made them more correct in size and also relocated then to a more more proper position as per the photo jankees sent me, many thanks Jan.
I'll have to get another package and upload it to SOH for those like me, who wish all to be as proper as can be.
I cannot move the aerial wiring post to starboard like it should be, nor can I nudge the antenna a couple tick to port like it should be, but this is as close as I am going to try, got to move on to another paint.
Caz
Cazzie
SOH-CM-2024
Cazzie I would think given the fact that it was painted with British paint it would be an RAF dark green upper colour. The colours of the default "Miss Behave" texture are dark green upper and sky underside. Obviously if you get close it will look fine, there were so many tonal differences from factory to factory (paint production), that there were some very stark differences of the same colour. Also the different ages & exposure to the elements of the paintwork would make for a very wide variety of different same colours. Also the blue stripe on the tail looks to be the exact same tone as the OD so you are correct to change the blue. So it could be possible the cowl flaps are indeed painted in the darker blue given the almost perfect match for the OD.
I'm sure you already know this
One more thing I noticed looking at the photo Jan has posted. The C on the fuselage side is distinctly RAF in style, it is curved at the corners and not at all like the USAAF stenciling in the profiles. The thing to be wary off when using profiles is that you are working to someone else's interpretation. I find the best method is to work as much as possible from photos. For the most part the markings and layout are identical throughout the flight/squadron so find as many photos of other aircraft in the same FG/squadron to fill in the blanks
For example I had four different profiles of "Miss Lorraine" that differed quite a lot from profile to profile. Luckily I had one decent B&W photo of "Miss Lorraine" and a few others of the same squadron that showed the black ID band layout on the wings. So "Miss Lorraine" is a composite of a decent photo, one decent profile and the rest was done using clues from other aircraft from the same FG/squadron.
The "Miss Rockette" photo I have attached seem to show a darker colour on the cowl flaps as does at least one or two other photos of the same FG.
Thanks ICDP, thanks helps a lot.
"Miss Rocketette" did belong to the same Squadron as "Miss Mary Lou", all part of the "Cactus Air Force" and they used a pineapple in lieu of the Japanese Flag for victory markings.
Caz