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All's quiet on the Alphasim front?

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tigisfat

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Does anyone know what's going on with Alphasim these days? Are they ever going to release the promised C-17 updates and the islander? If I had purchased the C-17, I'd be REALLY angry right now.


It does appear that the C-17 paintkit was released today.
 
Just a few moments before reading this I was over at the CBFS forum where a poster had hinted that he had seen info on the Islander with a possible mid-Jan 2010 release date.
 
Well, the C-17 was also 'almost done' two years ago this January. :icon_lol:
 
Tako_Kichi said:
he had seen info on the Islander with a possible mid-Jan 2010 release date.
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And I'm also convinced that Duke Nukem Forever will be out very soon:icon_lol:.


I don't envy those who purchased C17, they have had a fair amount of time to stare that exterior model:kilroy:.
 
It sure doesn't look like a 60 dollar product either. Especially without the VC that will or won't ever make it.

I bought a product from FSdreamscapes that was supposed to be a beta, and the updates would be free. I never got a single update, and the owner told me that I was welcome to fix it myself and he had moved on to other products. :mixedsmi:
 
Well the alphasim website does say the C17 update is due somewhere between mid Jan and Mid Feb but that info is from 11 Dec. That's also the same post that says the islander will be released mid Jan. I guess they will be released when their released.

And please people, stop paying companies full price for only half a product ... It just encourages them.
 
Please note that the text below is NOT an attack. It is outright curiosity...

I think that the methods Alphasim and Iris chose for their respective "C" haulers bear some similarity: charging for an unfinished plane with no VC, no sound and basic FDE and basic or no code with the minor(?) difference of Alphasim contracting theirs and Iris buying theirs off of Turbosquid for about 200 bucks.

To be honest, we're seriously considering doing this same thing with our F-15C and E. How many people would buy those? 15 bucks, two planes, 4 liveries, basic animations (externals and VCs) no real system(s) code, no sound and a basic FDE but they do have awesome VCs with some working gauges and stuff and nearly beautiful externals (still working on the materials)... (and a paint kit). And we are working on them on a daily basis...

I'm really curious because this is a great way to pay for dev costs as the project goes on as well as allowing us to gauge the amount of interest a product will get... (especially if we buy the models rather than make them)

And no kidding, I am really serious about knowing this...

kc.

I sure hope no one starts a flame war as that is NOT my intention...
 
I would purchase it! $15 for 2 models and a chance to upgrade later at no or small cost. Count me in, even just for the support to the devs.
 
krazycolin said:
Please note that the text below is NOT an attack. It is outright curiosity...

I think that the methods Alphasim and Iris chose for their respective "C" haulers bear some similarity: charging for an unfinished plane with no VC, no sound and basic FDE and basic or no code with the minor(?) difference of Alphasim contracting theirs and Iris buying theirs off of Turbosquid for about 200 bucks.

To be honest, we're seriously considering doing this same thing with our F-15C and E. How many people would buy those? 15 bucks, two planes, 4 liveries, basic animations (externals and VCs) no real system(s) code, no sound and a basic FDE but they do have awesome VCs with some working gauges and stuff and nearly beautiful externals (still working on the materials)... (and a paint kit). And we are working on them on a daily basis...

I'm really curious because this is a great way to pay for dev costs as the project goes on as well as allowing us to gauge the amount of interest a product will get... (especially if we buy the models rather than make them)

And no kidding, I am really serious about knowing this...

kc.

I sure hope no one starts a flame war as that is NOT my intention...
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For me, I'd rather purchase the "finished product" rather than get a basic model now and then wait endless weeks/months for an upgrade. I just feel like I would loose interest in a product long before the upgrades come along and probably not consider purchasing until it was completed with all the promised "bells and whistles."

Darrell
 
To me it's like someone really expecting that I would buy a car that has no engine yet, but they promise one in "a few months"

I buy NOTHING based on it being completed in the future. To do so is just stupid! I constantly remember a corny bit I tolerated on the first ship I served on...but frankly it was right on. "You get what you inspect, not what you expect"

Sorry, but if you are having to do this to customers to stay afloat something is wrong with your business model. I'll never accept a partial product with an attached promise to finish the job.
 
krazycolin said:
Please note that the text below is NOT an attack. It is outright curiosity...

I think that the methods Alphasim and Iris chose for their respective "C" haulers bear some similarity: charging for an unfinished plane with no VC, no sound and basic FDE and basic or no code with the minor(?) difference of Alphasim contracting theirs and Iris buying theirs off of Turbosquid for about 200 bucks.

To be honest, we're seriously considering doing this same thing with our F-15C and E. How many people would buy those? 15 bucks, two planes, 4 liveries, basic animations (externals and VCs) no real system(s) code, no sound and a basic FDE but they do have awesome VCs with some working gauges and stuff and nearly beautiful externals (still working on the materials)... (and a paint kit). And we are working on them on a daily basis...

I'm really curious because this is a great way to pay for dev costs as the project goes on as well as allowing us to gauge the amount of interest a product will get... (especially if we buy the models rather than make them)

And no kidding, I am really serious about knowing this...

kc.

I sure hope no one starts a flame war as that is NOT my intention...
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For YOU and for the F-15, I would gamble the $15. I figure it must be better than the old Iris F-15, which cost as much 2-3 years ago.

If you can provide working systems and gauges, I would happily pay the difference.

Bare in mind that this is only because I trust you and I would love to have a working F-15. I would not do this as a rule.
 
I've preordered aircraft before and now(VRS Super Hornet) I feel the small developer needs a considerable bankroll to either start or finish a product.So this doesn't seem very different.
 
"Always in motion the future is." --Yoda

It's a tempting strategy, but what if something goes wrong? E.g., you don't get enough money to finish; one of your development partners dies/gets sick/gets bored; you run into technical problems that you can't fix? All of these things can and do happen. And if they happen to you, and you can't afford to issue refunds, you will have alienated the most loyal (and possibly most vocal) fraction of your customer base. Your reputation is toast. In a small market -- which this is -- you will have a hard time recovering. --> The risks outweigh the benefits.
 
I'd get the milviz F-15 pack. 15 for both and VCs included? I can add sounds from other fighters. Milviz has completed and delivered more models than anyone else. They are a different kind of developer to me, one that has other ways to make money (that demand timely production and hard work) and doesn't come to the forums selling 'snake oil'.

I've been ripped off by quite a few lying developers, and it makes me sick to my stomach when they come here and elsewhere to lie about their latest products. I'm tired of it. I've missed out on some potentially cool products lately, but once I'm burned I NEVER purchase from a specific company again.
 
krazycolin said:
Please note that the text below is NOT an attack. It is outright curiosity...

I think that the methods Alphasim and Iris chose for their respective "C" haulers bear some similarity: charging for an unfinished plane with no VC, no sound and basic FDE and basic or no code with the minor(?) difference of Alphasim contracting theirs and Iris buying theirs off of Turbosquid for about 200 bucks.

To be honest, we're seriously considering doing this same thing with our F-15C and E. How many people would buy those? 15 bucks, two planes, 4 liveries, basic animations (externals and VCs) no real system(s) code, no sound and a basic FDE but they do have awesome VCs with some working gauges and stuff and nearly beautiful externals (still working on the materials)... (and a paint kit). And we are working on them on a daily basis...

I'm really curious because this is a great way to pay for dev costs as the project goes on as well as allowing us to gauge the amount of interest a product will get... (especially if we buy the models rather than make them)

And no kidding, I am really serious about knowing this...

kc.

I sure hope no one starts a flame war as that is NOT my intention...
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Please no. I'd like custom sounds (startup/shutdown), HUD, systems, please please
 
tigisfat said:
Milviz has completed and delivered more models than anyone else.
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Small point to clarify, no they haven't, there are several long term developers who have made more models than Milviz, cripes, in over ten years I've made and delivered more models than Milviz. If your talking recently then probably yes, but cumulative, then I'm afraid its no they havent.

Milviz are a supplier, not a publisher, they have supplied to quite a few development houses in the past but on face value many recently seem to be returning to in house developement (at a slower rate) in a bid to help reduce costs.

Whilst on the subject of numbers and Alphasim, Alphasim have released more old products as freeware than any one else, in fact theres probably more Alphasim freeware than Milviz payware.

C-17, whats been said has been said, nothing new added in this thread either.
 
michael davies said:
Small point to clarify, no they haven't,
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I was just kinda throwing that out there. I don't know for sure, but they have made a lot of models for other applications than MSFS.


Whilst on the subject of numbers and Alphasim, Alphasim have released more old products as freeware than any one else, in fact theres probably more Alphasim freeware than Milviz payware.

michael davies said:
C-17, whats been said has been said, nothing new added in this thread either.
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Not that anyone needs to report to the consumers, but we've never been given the full story on this project that was once eagerly awaited by many. I offered up predictions about the C-17 just for fun from time to time and annoyed Alphasim workers showed up to chastize me for it,; much of my speculation turned out true in many ways.
 
tigisfat said:
I was just kinda throwing that out there. I don't know for sure, but they have made a lot of models for other applications than MSFS.
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Your probably right, but as the models are not aimed at the FS market they surely cannot be included in the calculation.

tigisfat said:
Not that anyone needs to report to the consumers, but we've never been given the full story on this project that was once eagerly awaited by many. I offered up predictions about the C-17 just for fun from time to time and annoyed Alphasim workers showed up to chastize me for it,; much of my speculation turned out true in many ways.
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Sadly offering up predictions for 'fun' (right or wrong) isnt seen as funny by opposing parties, its seen as poking the tiger, knowing full well it cannot bite or scratch back, I understand what your trying to achieve but these forums are not the place to do it, you should know full well by now that those who can make changes or are responsible for certain issues do not visit here. All that is effectively being achieved is bombardment of the innocent hive workers who try to co-exist here, you'll notice there are less and less of them recently, theres good reason for that.

I do believe that consumers should have their voice and right now cannot see any other way of accomplishing that fairly, its just that the current situation seems so bloody painfull to developers, consumers and innocents that simply browse the boards.

Kindest
 
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