Anthony Fokker was a great aircraft Designer

True, true, JFM. Sucks when you have to beg borrow and steal fuel and parts just to keep-em-flyin. But those are the breaks at the end of a losing war. Hehe, try running your car with vegetable oil in the crank case as lube and see how long it goes before you have to "put er down"! :costumes:

ZZ.
 
That reminds me of a quote from a German pilot around the end of WWII. "We (Germany) have the finest planes in the world, but due to lack of fuel we have to tow them to the runway with oxen." or something to that effect.
 
We must remember when questioning the designs and thoughts behind the designs of certain WW1 aircraft that flying was it's self only a little over ten years old!

The designers of the day had no computers, no experience to build on and materials the performance of which were not yet fully understood in aircraft.

Many WW1 machines were under powered but that I believe was due to weight limitations.

As always "Nessacity is the Mother of invention" hence the leaps and bounds made in aircraft design 1914-1918. The like of which was not seen again until WW2.
 
The D.VI was just a Bi-Plane version of the Dr.1. It was supposed to replace it, but the D.VII was so successful, they shelved it.

And I think it's pronounced with a long 'O' if your German, and a short if your Dutch?

Anyhow, the man set standards of aviation that are still repected to this day.... keeping in mind it was all done by hand, in mass-production back then.

OvS
 
Short o!!!

Interesting topic that Fokker was first going to the allies for selling his planes but they refuse.
After the great war he went away from Germany to his native country, using a train loaded with planes. Thats what we learn here in the Netherlands.

By the way do you know what FK stands for???? I will help you; its a plane designer from the Netherlands and not a sales/marketing guy like Fokker. His airplanes battled against the German Fokkers. :icon31:

So two Guys from the Netherlands were fighting to each outher (in plane designs)

note: they did allso in the business.

:medals:
 
Also another interesting thing was that Fokker was bought or merged (i dont remember now) by North American which made the P-51 Mustang among others. 2 World Wars and Fokker was behind the best planes in both. Amazing

-Rooster
 
(Short "O", in German also - it's so simple: when there's "ck" or "kk" or "tt", the vocal before is short; in German, Dutch, and English; as we all know from the word f:censored:k. Ooops, were did that "censored"-stamp come from? Gimpy??)

Yeah, that's what we can learn looking at Mister Fokker - when you can build advanced killer technology, you can work everywhere and earn a lot of money; Leonardo daVinci or Wernher von Braun come to my mind too...
Hope, this isn't over the top - think, I should go to bed now.
Good night everyone (soundtrack: Good Night - Beatles).
Olham
 
Farrka, Forrka, Focka ? :isadizzy: Little O's, Big O's, Long O's, Short O's .... what the hell are the fokkers talking about :isadizzy:
 
....... By the way do you know what FK stands for???? I will help you; its a plane designer from the Netherlands and not a sales/marketing guy like Fokker. His airplanes battled against the German Fokkers.

So two Guys from the Netherlands were fighting to each other (in plane designs)

note: they did also in the business.

..... My guess is Frederick 'Frits' Koolhoven. Second biggest only to Fokker, but his designs were of the 1920's to 1940?

Cheers,
WF2
 
Koolhoven started designing in 1910. He joined up with Armstrong Whitworth in 1914. He deisgned the F.K.(hint)3, a derivative of the B.E.2C, "little ack" and later the F.K.8 "big ack". Both of these were used mostly for recon roles in WW1.

-Rooster
 
The D.VI was just a Bi-Plane version of the Dr.1. It was supposed to replace it, but the D.VII was so successful, they shelved it.
OvS

I beg to differ, according to what I read ( and it makes sense)the D.VI was built as a rapid response fighter. Built on the airframe of the of the DR1, but as a biplane. The abilty of the rotory engine, eliminated the DVII's need to warm up it's engine prior to take off. In that respect it succeeded, however it was dreadfully underpowered, and slow.
Originally the German High Command ordered 120 aircraft to be built, when word got back, construction was halted at 60.

That was my reasoning behind the couldn't count crack
He introduced the DVI after the DVII :kilroy:
 
What puzzels me is why the Wrights did not discover the thicker airfoil.

My guess is the thin wings were necessitated by the fact that they used wing-warping for roll control. And it's harder to twist something that's thick than something that's thin. Don't forget that the Wrights weren't the first ones to achieve powered heavier-than-air flight, rather they were the first to be able to sustain it by being able to control the aircraft around the longitudinal axis. Previously no one had overcome the tendency for an aircraft to lose that stability, and once it's lost the machine will crash. Ailerons were actually introduced by Curtis to bypass the Wrights' patent on wing-warping. And that led to stronger wings that could take increased loads, higher speeds, etc.



Let's not forget the E.Vs were also plagued by engine failures. Those planes could have been the best constructed machines on earth but because of the horrible ersatz oil they were doomed. In Greg VanWyngarden's Richthofen's Circus (Osprey, 2004), page 110, he notes Jasta 6 "endured 30 emergency landings in ten days." Ostensibly, all related to engine problems.

The oil wasn't the only reason for engine failures, although it was certainly a contributing factor. Both sides were plagued by failures. In fact McCudden was killed when he tried to return to base (against his own advice) after the engine cut out in his SE5 right after takeoff. Internal combustion engines hadn't been around all that much longer than airplanes and they weren't all that reliable.
 
Hello,
as far as i know the thick airfoil was invented at the city of Goettingen using one of the first wind tunnels. Junkers also used thicker profles, however he only constructed all-metal planes. On the Entente side even the SE5a, the SPAD and the late Snipe all had thin airfoil profiles - this was used because the designers (wrongly) thought to need a thin profile to make a plane fly fast.

Wing warping was abandoned already in 1916, maybe some of the older planes still flew at the eastern frontlines, but this alone was not the reason for keeping slim rib profiles.
Current technology will b.t.w. go back to wing warping, because the wind flow along a "softer" direction change of a bent wing means much better flight characteristics, rather than the abrupt change gained by flaps or ailerons.

B.t.w. for what i read the "Ersatz" fuel for the german aircraft engines was not as bad as it is often quoted, some even reached a better combustion with it, however the engine casting materials and the heardened surfaces were sometimes not withstanding higher pressure and temperatures.

Greetings,
Catfish
 
Womenfly2: you right it is F=Frits K=Koolhoven. :applause:

DVI: Maybe the DVI was a backup for the DVII incase delivery failures accourd. Both were at the Adlershof competition jan/febr 1918.
 
Taken from Bader over at A2A
"Ah yes, Michael (Parkinson)," Bader replied, "But these particular Fockers were Messerschmitts..."
 
Also another interesting thing was that Fokker was bought or merged (i dont remember now) by North American which made the P-51 Mustang among others. 2 World Wars and Fokker was behind the best planes in both. Amazing

-Rooster

As I recall well it was bought after Fokker's death in 1939. However, this saved the factory more or less. Because Fokker didn't want to build planes out of metal his last designs were highly outdated even before they entered the market.
The Fokker factory in the Netherlands went bankrupt in the nineties, so no more planes from dutch soil (too bad), but they are still into research as part of another company: Storck

Farrka, Forrka, Focka ? :isadizzy: Little O's, Big O's, Long O's, Short O's .... what the hell are the fokkers talking about :isadizzy:

Be glad we don't try to explain how scheveningen (a beach near the Haque) is pronunciated in Dutch, that's a nasty one for non-natives...
greetings,
RW
 
As I recall well it was bought after Fokker's death in 1939. However, this saved the factory more or less. Because Fokker didn't want to build planes out of metal his last designs were highly outdated even before they entered the market.
The Fokker factory in the Netherlands went bankrupt in the nineties, so no more planes from dutch soil (too bad), but they are still into research as part of another company: Storck



RW

Sorry for the mix up RW. I meant the company. In 1929 Fokker (changed to General Aviation) was ran by "Dutch" Kindelberger.

-Rooster
 
Be glad we don't try to explain how scheveningen (a beach near the Haque) is pronunciated in Dutch, that's a nasty one for non-natives...
greetings,
RW

...or worse, Terschelling.

Which apparently was useful for picking out Germans trying to infiltrate the resistance during the war...
 
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