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Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

jmig

jmig

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Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

Putting aside the debate on whether Arizona is right in passing this law, I find Arizona's response interesting. Far too often, in my opinion, elected officials get too big for their britches and start throwing their weigh around, with no idea of the full implications and consequences. Usually it is down to play to the emotions of their constituents.

This will be interesting to watch and see how it plays out.


If Los Angeles wants to boycott Arizona, it had better get used to reading by candlelight. That's the message from a member of Arizona's top government utilities agency, who threw down the gauntlet Tuesday in a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa by threatening to cut off the city's power supply as retribution.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...eatens-cut-los-angeles-power-payback-boycott/
 
ROFL, idiots. They can't do that. They would be in violation of so many laws if they did that they would end up in prison. They would violate NERC and FERC regulations and they would have to island their own part of the grid and would probably end up driving their own power companies out of business if they were able to accomplish it. I can't believe the vapid stupidity of some these politicians these days. Maybe Arizonans can hire some grown ups to run their state.
 
Sundog said:
ROFL, idiots. They can't do that. They would be in violation of so many laws if they did that they would end up in prison. They would violate NERC and FERC regulations and they would have to island their own part of the grid and would probably end up driving their own power companies out of business if they were able to accomplish it. I can't believe the vapid stupidity of some these politicians these days. Maybe Arizonans can hire some grown ups to run their state.
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Ummm ....

Last I knew the river that feeds some of the power generators for LA ... runs through AZ ... all it would take is a colossal dam and some water diversion.

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Arizona can do what it wants. If you don't like it and you run your mouth, you better be ready to pay for it. In this case L.A ran it's mouth and Arizona vary well may have a way for L.A to pay for there mouth.

If Arizona can legally cut of L.A power, more power to them. This law has no affects that reaches L.A or C.A. So L.A should STFU and GTFO before Arizona leave them powerless, but that may be to late....
 
Allen said:
Arizona can do what it wants. If you don't like it and you run your mouth, you better be ready to pay for it. In this case L.A ran it's mouth and Arizona vary well may have a way for L.A to pay for there mouth.

If Arizona can legally cut of L.A power, more power to them. This law has no affects that reaches L.A or C.A. So L.A should STFU and GTFO before Arizona leave them powerless, but that may be to late....
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:icon_lol::salute:
 
hmm,

I grew up in California. As such, being a white kid, I was a minority. The majority of kids I went to school with were Latino, as were most of my friends. There was never a divide or lack of assimilation. Latino culture is so much a part of California that my white parents used to cook mexican food half the time for dinner.

There's a wierd bipartisan thing going on here, and I don't understand how racism has anything to do with this. The people who want to seal off the border are being called racist? The people who DON'T want the border sealed off are declaring their support for the Latino community? I don't get it. The two have nothing to do with each other. I want the border sealed off, and I've never had anything but respect for the Latino community.:kilroy: We have to control what comes into and out of this country, hence the reason for customs and border patrol.
 
tigisfat said:
hmm,

I grew up in California. As such, being a white kid, I was a minority. The majority of kids I went to school with were Latino, as were most of my friends. There was never a divide or lack of assimilation. Latino culture is so much a part of California that my white parents used to cook mexican food half the time for dinner.

There's a wierd bipartisan thing going on here, and I don't understand how racism has anything to do with this. The people who want to seal off the border are being called racist? The people who DON'T want the border sealed off are declaring their support for the Latino community? I don't get it. The two have nothing to do with each other. I want the border sealed off, and I've never had anything but respect for the Latino community.:kilroy: We have to control what comes into and out of this country, hence the reason for customs and border patrol.
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:salute:
 
jmig said:
Far too often, in my opinion, elected officials get too big for their britches and start throwing their weigh around, with no idea of the full implications and consequences.
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On both sides!! Maybe they should return the boycott and show LA how much it has to lose. Like Arizona's legal and illegal immigrants wouldn't be hurt by a boycott by LA in the first place?
 
I personally think CA has no business telling AZ what it can and can't do. That is why there are states in this union so people can go to states they like, and leave the ones they don't. I do think it is interesting as there were articles the other day about people cancelling conventions and such in CA, and the local commerce chambers were telling the CA gov that they were ruining their economy. I say more power to people. I am glad to see a lot of people willing to take their business out of CA and give it to AZ. CA is in no position to have an opinion about anything at this point given their dire financial straights.. I do not think it would be right for AZ to cut off CA's power though. I do not believe a majority of the people stand behind the CA gov in their opinion on this, so I do not think it is fair to punish the people for their stupidity. I also do not think it would be legal either, although I will admit I do not know the laws on such matters. Kudo's to AZ tho for at least threating CA. That is more than most states would do. Definately have some fight in them.
 
tigisfat said:
hmm,

I grew up in California. As such, being a white kid, I was a minority. The majority of kids I went to school with were Latino, as were most of my friends. There was never a divide or lack of assimilation. Latino culture is so much a part of California that my white parents used to cook mexican food half the time for dinner.

There's a wierd bipartisan thing going on here, and I don't understand how racism has anything to do with this. The people who want to seal off the border are being called racist? The people who DON'T want the border sealed off are declaring their support for the Latino community? I don't get it. The two have nothing to do with each other. I want the border sealed off, and I've never had anything but respect for the Latino community.:kilroy: We have to control what comes into and out of this country, hence the reason for customs and border patrol.
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Thank You for this statement. I too grew-up in the Southwest, El Paso Tx. Not being Hispanic along the border can be an unpleasent thing. It is unbeliveable how many people flow across our southern border. If you want to get a first hand account of the problem go to the ER of any county hospital along the border.
 
The chances of AZ cutting off electricity to CA are nil and none. The official was merely making a point. If L.A. wants to boycott AZ business, go all the way.
 
We have decided to spend out vacation money in AZ this year...more power to them (so to speak)!
Ted

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Many of you missed my point and don't understand how the power grid operates. Arizona can not shut down power to another area without endangering the entire western power grid and their own power grid. In that regard, many of you are just as ignorant of how the power grid operates in this country as the politicians are. You can't just "flip a switch' and shut something off in the power grid without completely separating from it. If Arizona was to separate from the Western Interconnect, it would greatly endanger their own power grid more so than another grid. It wasn't a political statement, it was a "physics" statement. No amount of political grand standing can get you around that point.
 
Sundog said:
Many of you missed my point and don't understand how the power grid operates. Arizona can not shut down power to another area without endangering the entire western power grid and their own power grid. In that regard, many of you are just as ignorant of how the power grid operates in this country as the politicians are. You can't just "flip a switch' and shut something off in the power grid without completely separating from it. If Arizona was to separate from the Western Interconnect, it would greatly endanger their own power grid more so than another grid. It wasn't a political statement, it was a "physics" statement. No amount of political grand standing can get you around that point.
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Yes, you are correct. Power is wheeled through each region of the country through an AC grid, and the entire country through DC tie lines.

I have been out of the market for some time, but I think basically you have people selling the power they generate on the grid on one end (imagine for a minute a wire going from a power plant to the customer, though reality is much more complicated), and the customer paying for the energy used on the other end.

Both are sending and receiving power into a power pool, if you will; so you cannot buy an electron of electricity from AZ, and have it sent to CA.

However, what you can do is manipulate contracts between the buyer and seller. LA has to purchase it's power from someone, AZ may be able to raise their rates, or refuse to sell power to them. (If not the baseline power needs, then the peak power needs that are purchased on an as needed basis.)

If this were not the case, then for example; a local utility here in Texas cannot claim to offer wind power generated electricity to it's customers. They are not doing this by running a wire from a wind farm to their customer's house; but by buying blocks of available power from the wind farm producers, and selling that power to the customers who choose to subscribe to them. That has been the case since Texas at least has broken away from the traditional regulated model of the utility generating the power, transmitting it to the customer, running wires to the customer's house, putting the meter on the house, and billing them for the usage. Now, one group of companies generates and transmits the power, and another runs the wire to the customer and bills them for it; the customer choosing who they will buy power from. If they change electricity providers, that won't mean the wiring outside their house or business will change; just who they are purchasing it from.

The physical facts of the matter are though, that the power being consumed in LA is being generated in AZ. The only way AZ could put the screws to CA right here and now is to shut down their dams and power plants, something that would hurt both parties and others on the grid, and harm them legally. But but they can influence the market through the power contracts so that LA has to pay more for their electricity.

That is why California was having problems with rolling brownouts last year. They needed more power, but all of the providers out of state were already loaded to the max supplying customers in their own state, and had no capacity to sell to CA. So CA had to resort to rolling brownouts to keep the grid within the state from collapsing.
 
I used to get a lot of security briefings up until a few months ago. I'll bring you guys in (who don't already know) some basic stuff that's unclassified and is meant for wide dissemination.

The border towns are teaming and brimming over with weapons and drug cartels. The crime is out of control, and law enforcement has little control anymore. It's so bad that there are crime syndicate foot soldiers dressed as federales. We need to control that now. This isn't and shouldn't be a racial issue, ever. Not to mention all the terrorists which have had communications intercepted while discussing supplying terrorists and extremists via the Mexico/US border because it's a big hole.
 
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