Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

Cratermaker said:
I thought Texas' grid was isolated from the rest of the US?
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You can entirely shutdown regions, cities and even neighborhoods. The reason they are isolated is so that if there's a problem like a blown station component, the whole Western United States won't be out power. The ability to even perform rolling brownouts is evidence thereof.


Not that it'd EVER happen, but I'm positive that parts of the LA area could be shutdown if the controlling authority decided a retaliatory blackout was going to happen. I don't have to have any advanced education in physics or insider trade knowledge to know that.
 
Cratermaker said:
I thought Texas' grid was isolated from the rest of the US?
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Actually, the entire United States is broken up into regions. Much of Texas is indeed it's own region, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT.

However, all the various regions are tied together through DC tie lines. As tigisfat said, those ties can be cut to prevent the entire United States from being blacked out by a single event; or else the event that caused New York to be blacked out could have propegated throughout the entire country and caused a nation wide blackout.

The DC ties allow generators in one region to wheel their excess power to other regions, and visa versa.

-James
 
Arizona has a Nuclear Reactor plant called Palo Verde Nuclear Power Station. It supplies power only to California. None goes to Arizona. Now why... why why why would we (Arizonians) do that? crazy.

As for hiring grownups to run our state, I would like to know where to find them. I would love to vote in some people to better run this state. Presently its like old Germany before WWII. Even the sheriff is tied to the local nazi party, and he is (was) trying to run for Govenor!!!!!!! A govenor nazi that makes his own laws on the streets...

I have room to talk. I have one of their police around the corner who does what he will. he is known as the neighborhood bullie. Slightly nutty dude, him and his wife both...


Bunch of nuts..


If I could move to a better place, I certainly would, but would love to vote better people in instead. There are better ways of handling the border. This is America, for goodness sake. We are made of people from other countries. We could do things better then we are and be more humane in the carrying out of justice. There is no need for racism war.


Bill
 
Lionheart said:
There is no need for racism war.
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Agreed!! I said it before and I'll say it again, neither side of this debate should have anything to do with racism. Claims of racism can preceed extreme fascism, such as Hitler's editorials about Jews before WWII. If people keep screaming about how racist this is, more people will blindly join them and then we could be headed for deep trouble.
 
Honestly, I thought the state of Arizona was only trying to comply with the requested boycott from LA. Since LA desires to boycott Arizona, it's only right that they boycott Arizona...which means no power from Arizona....I assume that LA wouldn't want any LA dollars going back to Arizona to pay for utilities. Kind of defeats the purpose of a boycott.

Oh wait, that's not really what they meant?

Silly, and a good lesson in hyperbole from politicians, especially local politicians with a particular political axe to grind who don't have to bear any responsibility or burden for their actions or statements.

It is also a good reminder that the U.S. is a REPUBLIC. In this REPUBLIC for example, one state can sanction gay marriage, and another outlaw it and both states would be within their rights. Somehow our education system seems to miss this somewhere. I hope those new Texas school books cover this point better.
 
Lionheart said:
Arizona has a Nuclear Reactor plant called Palo Verde Nuclear Power Station. It supplies power only to California. None goes to Arizona. Now why... why why why would we (Arizonians) do that? crazy.

As for hiring grownups to run our state, I would like to know where to find them. I would love to vote in some people to better run this state. Presently its like old Germany before WWII. Even the sheriff is tied to the local nazi party, and he is (was) trying to run for Govenor!!!!!!! A govenor nazi that makes his own laws on the streets...

I have room to talk. I have one of their police around the corner who does what he will. he is known as the neighborhood bullie. Slightly nutty dude, him and his wife both...


Bunch of nuts..


If I could move to a better place, I certainly would, but would love to vote better people in instead. There are better ways of handling the border. This is America, for goodness sake. We are made of people from other countries. We could do things better then we are and be more humane in the carrying out of justice. There is no need for racism war.


Bill
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The only people making it a racism war are the ones that are illegal. The new law is about carrying out the laws that are already on the books that most states have done their best to overlook enforcing and have caused this situation by doing that for so long in the first place. I went to the rally that LULAC had in downtown Dallas a few weeks back to SUPPORT Arizona in doing what is right and it was amazing how many ignorant, closed minded people, of all races there were there, most fueled by people with agendas other that supporting the laws of the land.

I am thrilled to see Arizona standing up and not giving in to all this bullying, makes me want to move there even more! :salute::USA-flag:
 
As for hiring grownups to run our state, I would like to know where to find them. I would love to vote in some people to better run this state. Presently its like old Germany before WWII. Even the sheriff is tied to the local nazi party, and he is (was) trying to run for Govenor!!!!!!! A govenor nazi that makes his own laws on the streets...
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if you are going to accuse folks of being nazi's i'd kinda like to see some proof of that....any links?

i know some people that live in Arizona and have heard no such comparisons..
 
There are very valid reasons that over 70% of Arizona residents, support this law. A great number of those supporters are of Hispanic ancestry. Does that sound racist to anyone? I see almost daily official reports on illegal drug cartel activities in our border States and in Mexico. More people are dying along the USA-Mexico border than in Iraq and Afghanistan together. Think about that for a moment. El Presidente Calderon is in Washington, DC today. Somebody needs to ask him what would happen to an American illegally in Mexico for an extended time. Mexico has some pretty strick immigration laws and penalties, yet want the USA to have none.

I strongly support Arizonan's right to protect themselves with laws before or until they are reduced to armed conflict and the igniting of a war between the USA and Mexican governments and people. But then, more people are dying along the Mexico-USA border yearly than in the two wars the USA is currently fighting.............
 
Allen said:
Arizona can do what it wants. If you don't like it and you run your mouth, you better be ready to pay for it. In this case L.A ran it's mouth and Arizona vary well may have a way for L.A to pay for there mouth.

If Arizona can legally cut of L.A power, more power to them. This law has no affects that reaches L.A or C.A. So L.A should STFU and GTFO before Arizona leave them powerless, but that may be to late....
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I completely agree with this, McDesigns and with Devildog's comments. Well stated! :salute:

It reminds me of what my mother used to say..."If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about."
 
Well, I'm just going to say I totally agree with the response. You want to start something you best determine the consequences.

LA needs Arizona more than Arizona needs LA.

LA also has an emerging problem with Nevada and Arizona both regarding how much water they are taking out of Lake Mead and the Colorado River.

In my view, LA better start learning quick how to play nice with others or things could be mighty grim for them very soon!

Ken
 
Sundog said:
Many of you missed my point and don't understand how the power grid operates. Arizona can not shut down power to another area without endangering the entire western power grid and their own power grid. In that regard, many of you are just as ignorant of how the power grid operates in this country as the politicians are. You can't just "flip a switch' and shut something off in the power grid without completely separating from it. If Arizona was to separate from the Western Interconnect, it would greatly endanger their own power grid more so than another grid. It wasn't a political statement, it was a "physics" statement. No amount of political grand standing can get you around that point.
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You don't think they could merely isolate the lines running to LA?

I'm thinking it could be done without endangering the entire grid. For example, when a city suffers a blackout, there are alternate paths opened to prevent a city-wide blackout shutting down an entire region.

Besides, using the word "ignorant" seems a bit harsh to me.

Ken
 
Bill,

I'm of the opinion that whoever evokes the Nazi reference has pretty much ceded the discussion!

I'm really surprised you said that.

And like people have said, 70% of Arizonans support the law, and that includes a whole lot of Hispanic people. I think the bottomline behind that is they want to protect their children and society as much as anyone else does!

You know, because they are Americans first and care as much as I do about what happens to their country -- which is the one who's flag is red, white and blue and NOT red, white, and green!

Ken
 
According to a current poll ...

Thank you for voting!




<LABEL class=pds-feedback-label for=PDI_feedback1>Yes. Arizona exercised a state's right to protect its citizens -- L.A.'s way off-base, and this sends the message loud and clear. 93% (195,525 votes) </LABEL>


<LABEL class=pds-feedback-label for=PDI_feedback2>No. Arizona is now as over-the-top as L.A. -- let's grow up, people. 4% (7,437 votes) </LABEL>


<LABEL class=pds-feedback-label for=PDI_feedback3>Not sure, but it's an interesting response -- let's see what happens. 3% (6,114 votes) </LABEL>


<LABEL class=pds-feedback-label for=PDI_feedback4>Other (post a comment) <1% (960 votes) </LABEL>


Total Votes: 210,036

BTW, this isn't just Arizonians, this is everyone who reads this media source ... so its from around the world.

:ernae:
 
Lionheart,
Wanna trade home states?
Better brush up on yer Spanish (and Korean, Armo, Chinese, Swahili...)
 
this whole thing makes me nervous.

on the one hand, i believe something should be done about the illegals. of course, i have serious doubts you can stop the water once there is a hole in the dyke.

on the other hand, i see what happened after 9/11. the paranoia and grandstanding led to the patriot act, the largest single erosion of our freedoms in the history of our country. i know that walls keep people in as well as out. i don't like where america is headed. laugh if you want, but i really think ice-t saw the whole thing coming all the way back in 1989.

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