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Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

Ken,

I said it because I believe it. My mother used to work near the Sheriff and we hear 'alot' of things. I wouldnt have otherwise. I see these guys on my daily news all day long and for years, this has been getting 'out of control'.

Now, yes, we need to protect our people. But so far, whats going on is that in South Phoenix, tons of people are pulled over because they are spanish, and told to show ID to be in the country. The people pulling them over are very bruff dudes. They are not gentlemen. I have had run ins with these guys.

This is what people are freaking out about. And me..

We should have had the border more better protected 10 years ago, yes. But we need to treat people here in Phoenix a bit better. Innocent until proven guilty. You forget your wallet at home and have a nice tan, you might find yourself in Mexico so fast, it aint funny.


How about that interview with Obamma and the President of Mexico? The USA translated for him stating his translator didnt translate properly. Scary.


Its a pressure cooker. I just hope it smooths out to normality and doesnt get all freaked out. It could get much much worse.


Bill
 
gecko65 said:
I thought police needed probable cause to pull someone over.
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What they are doing is setting up something like a DUI checkpoint, but instead of pulling over people that appear drunk (this is at say 11AM till 2PM), they pull over hispanics and request ID.

So I guess their probable cause is being an illegal alien by being hispanic, and the legals are realllllllllllly 'p'-d off right now about it.
 
Lionheart said:
What they are doing is setting up something like a DUI checkpoint, but instead of pulling over people that appear drunk (this is at say 11AM till 2PM), they pull over hispanics and request ID.

So I guess their probable cause is being an illegal alien by being hispanic, and the legals are realllllllllllly 'p'-d off right now about it.
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Hmmm, but doesn't the Border patrol do something similar out in the county? I see the BP checkpoints all the time down here around Tucson, and have had to drive through them along with everyone else. Or is this happening in a particular part of the city then - high Hispanic area, I suppose.
 
I thought the thing about the electricity was pretty funny, but as far as the issue with Arizona's new law is concerned I am believe that they must do what they have to do to protect their state. Now, if the rest of the country could adopt something that could help with the problems at the border that would be great! Personally, I don't see what the big deal is, I carry a license and if I ever get stopped by a cop I have no problem showing it to him. I mean after all the license is essentially my proof of citizenship. And once again, if your not breaking the law then you have nothing to worry about! Right?

I was watching a story on this the other day and from what I understand a cop can't just stop a person for being hispanic, they can ask for proof of citizenship during the course of an investigation that results in the police being called or in the event of a traffic stop or any type of criminal investigation.

We used to conduct what we called Terry Stops and that usually resulted in just stopping someone or some persons that might be walking down the road and acting suspicious, this was merely to collect information and most normal people would cooperate, but the ones that don't usually ended up going in because they failed to produce a valid ID and 9 times out of 10 had a warrant associated with them.
 
Gdavis101 said:
I thought the thing about the electricity was pretty funny, but as far as the issue with Arizona's new law is concerned I am believe that they must do what they have to do to protect their state. Now, if the rest of the country could adopt something that could help with the problems at the border that would be great! Personally, I don't see what the big deal is, I carry a license and if I ever get stopped by a cop I have no problem showing it to him. I mean after all the license is essentially my proof of citizenship. And once again, if your not breaking the law then you have nothing to worry about! Right?
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there are some states where one can obtain a DL without proof of citizenship - New Mexico being one.
 
What they are doing is setting up something like a DUI checkpoint, but instead of pulling over people that appear drunk (this is at say 11AM till 2PM), they pull over hispanics and request ID.

So I guess their probable cause is being an illegal alien by being hispanic, and the legals are realllllllllllly 'p'-d off right now about it.
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man you need to work for CNN or MSNBC....that stuff will running all day on their stations...if only they knew.....and the sheriff is a 'nazi' to boot....wow great stuff there.
 
Kiwikat said:
Yeah and the alternative (Faux News) is soooooooooo much better... :rolleyes:
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First of all KIWIKAT FOX has won more awards for FAIR and BALANCED than any other network! You been swallowing the network kook aide buddy
Ted

You can get a copy of the law from the Phoenix site and all it is, is an extension of a Federal Law which is not currently being enforced. Having been a cop in Texas you can't just pull someone over because you suspect they are illegal, this law does not change that! Read it!

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gecko65 said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there are some states where one can obtain a DL without proof of citizenship - New Mexico being one.
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Not really true, at least not for New Mexico.

You do not have to produce any ID to register to vote, but to get a drivers license, you have to offer proof of residence. It may not prove citizenship, but you have to show a Social Security card or birth certificate, plus a photo ID, and at least two recent bills sent to an address that matches the one on a current photo ID.

New Mexico conforms with the new federal photo ID requirement. The feds now require all states to adhere to the requirements I specified.

Cheers,

Ken
 
Lionheart said:
Here is some of the imaginary news. This is like a daily thing now here;
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:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

I needed those laughs. That was the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time. What do they think they're reporting? The allegations of allegations of investigations of allegations of investigations?

"The normally talkative Sheriff refused our invitations to an interview" NO KIDDING!!

I don't know who's wrong or right in that scenario, and that 'riveting investigation' by that clown reporter didn't tell me anything to make me believe one side or the other. The best part was the background music, like a horror movie or something.


Thanks lionheart!!:icon_lol:
 
Ken Stallings said:
Not really true, at least not for New Mexico.

You do not have to produce any ID to register to vote, but to get a drivers license, you have to offer proof of residence. It may not prove citizenship, but you have to show a Social Security card or birth certificate, plus a photo ID, and at least two recent bills sent to an address that matches the one on a current photo ID.

New Mexico conforms with the new federal photo ID requirement. The feds now require all states to adhere to the requirements I specified.

Cheers,

Ken
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i got a drivers license in Louisianana
in 84 i had not received my ss# at the time
no bills as i was staying with my brother in law
my wife had a NM drivers licence
i must admit i have never tried to register to vote
hmm interesting wonder what would happen
i am a legal alien
cost me $500.00 every ten years
i have all rights except to vote or work for the government
city,parish, state or federal
i do not believe New Mexico is any different
H
 
In New York you need a certain # of points to get a license.Points are given for types of ID used,a Birth Certificate is mandatory and has no points.My WV license,my SS card,my High School Diploma and my last paycheck showing my WV address were what I needed to have enough points.

This was in 2006,here in Minnesota I needed my NY CDL,SS card and maybe my birth certificate,can't remember.To get Haz-Mat endorsement I had to be fingerprinted and background checked.
 
Henry said:
i got a drivers license in Louisianana
in 84 i had not received my ss# at the time
no bills as i was staying with my brother in law
my wife had a NM drivers licence
i must admit i have never tried to register to vote
hmm interesting wonder what would happen
i am a legal alien
cost me $500.00 every ten years
i have all rights except to vote or work for the government
city,parish, state or federal
i do not believe New Mexico is any different
H
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You respected our laws and that's just one reason why we respect you, Henry.

This whole thing has a very simple solution. ....

Ready for it? .....

Apply for an receive a worker's visa, which the United States provides more of than any other nation on earth!

When you arrive here, apply for an receive a resident alien card, just as my wife has, which again, the United States provides more of than any other nation on earth.

Don't break our laws!

I take our laws seriously. I respect them. That is among the most basic obligations of a citizen and alien in a nation. It is the foundation of all civilized society.

These facts are irrefutable. Evey illegal alien is a law breaker!

If they are arrested, they are arrested in accordance with our national laws and the laws within the state they are illegally residing. They enjoy no diplomatic immunity.

There's nothing else to add.

Ken
 
Ken Stallings said:
Not really true, at least not for New Mexico.

You do not have to produce any ID to register to vote, but to get a drivers license, you have to offer proof of residence. It may not prove citizenship, but you have to show a Social Security card or birth certificate, plus a photo ID, and at least two recent bills sent to an address that matches the one on a current photo ID.

New Mexico conforms with the new federal photo ID requirement. The feds now require all states to adhere to the requirements I specified.

Cheers,

Ken
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Thanks Ken. So, to clarify then, having a valid driver's license is not necessarily proof of citizenship.

Next question: What are the documents that can prove citizenship in the US? Naturalization certificate obviously - anything else?
 
gecko65 said:
Thanks Ken. So, to clarify then, having a valid driver's license is not necessarily proof of citizenship.

Next question: What are the documents that can prove citizenship in the US? Naturalization certificate obviously - anything else?
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Well, yes and no!

You see, to get the drivers license, you have to either prove your are a US citizen, or a legal alien. That's why either a Social Security card or birth certificate is required. If the birth certificate shows birth outside the nation, then you need to show documents that show you are legally here: a work visa, or resident alien card, or documents showing you were born overseas to US parents and claimed citizenship by birth as a result. The difference is the intent versus the reality. Of course, no one denies documents can be forged and successfully used to get a drivers license. But, the recent federal requirements were intended to help detour terrorists.

Because the bottomline is you do not need to be a US citizen to get a drivers license. My wife of course has her's and even though she's been talking about getting her citizenship, she has not yet. She does have her permanent resident alien card. So, when she got her New Mexico drivers license, she had to show her "green card," her previous Florida drivers license (that's two forms of photo ID), her social security card (which she has because of her permanent resident alien status, and of course two bills from known companies sent to our home address which matched the address shown on her FL drivers license and resident alien card.

I had to do the same thing using my SSA card, FL drivers license, and two bills.

Cheers,

Ken
 
Just listened to Megan Kelly on The O'Reilly Factor talk about the Arizona law. She made some very interesting legal reviews of federal law.

For example, how many of you knew that an FBI agent has legal authority, upheld by unanimous ruling by a federal appeals court, to pull over anyone for no probable cause simply to ask you for your alien documents? I presume if you produce a drivers license and claim citizenship the FBI agent will let you on your way -- but even as a citizen, you have no legal recourse against the FBI agent. Like I said, the federal district court upheld the legality of this federal authority by unanimous ruling!

By contrast, if an Arizona cop did this, without having any other probable cause based reason, the person (citizen or alien) has the authority under the Arizona law to file civil suit for damages (i.e. money, lots of it)? Big difference, wouldn't you say?

It's funny though, I've yet to hear anyone calling for boycott of Arizona also call for boycott of the United States! I wonder why?

Second important point ...

Right now, 86% of all American people support the right of local, county, state, and federal law enforcement to ask someone for proof of immigration or citizenship status if that request was originated by a probable cause of violating an ordinance or law. Yet, this is precisely what the Arizona law requires, and again, if the cop violates this requirement, the person can bring civil suit against the police!

These are facts, people.

Ken
 
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