Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

[Henry]

You respected our laws and that's just one reason why we respect you, Henry.

This whole thing has a very simple solution. ....

Ready for it? .....

Apply for an receive a worker's visa, which the United States provides more of than any other nation on earth!

When you arrive here, apply for an receive a resident alien card, just as my wife has, which again, the United States provides more of than any other nation on earth.

Don't break our laws!

I take our laws seriously. I respect them. That is among the most basic obligations of a citizen and alien in a nation. It is the foundation of all civilized society.

These facts are irrefutable. Evey illegal alien is a law breaker!

If they are arrested, they are arrested in accordance with our national laws and the laws within the state they are illegally residing. They enjoy no diplomatic immunity.

There's nothing else to add.

Ken

i also take the law seriously
its the law
if ya dont agree with it get it changed
but untill then its the law
proof of citizenship is another ball of wax
im not a citizen
now i have a couple of friends
who i grew up with that are
one got as high up with Nasa
as he could he became a citizen and went further
go for it
H

 

[Cratermaker]

Just listened to Megan Kelly on The O'Reilly Factor talk about the Arizona law. She made some very interesting legal reviews of federal law.

For example, how many of you knew that an FBI agent has legal authority, upheld by unanimous ruling by a federal appeals court, to pull over anyone for no probable cause simply to ask you for your alien documents? I presume if you produce a drivers license and claim citizenship the FBI agent will let you on your way -- but even as a citizen, you have no legal recourse against the FBI agent. Like I said, the federal district court upheld the legality of this federal authority by unanimous ruling!

By contrast, if an Arizona cop did this, without having any other probable cause based reason, the person (citizen or alien) has the authority under the Arizona law to file civil suit for damages (i.e. money, lots of it)? Big difference, wouldn't you say?

It's funny though, I've yet to hear anyone calling for boycott of Arizona also call for boycott of the United States! I wonder why?

Second important point ...

Right now, 86% of all American people support the right of local, county, state, and federal law enforcement to ask someone for proof of immigration or citizenship status if that request was originated by a probable cause of violating an ordinance or law. Yet, this is precisely what the Arizona law requires, and again, if the cop violates this requirement, the person can bring civil suit against the police!

These are facts, people.

Ken

I saw that too and it really surprised me that there is something already on the books that is more "reaching" in federal law and court approved than what Arizona came up with. I bet a lot of people besides us didn't know about that.

But everyone is concentrating on what Arizona did. Probably because:

1) Not many know about the feds ability being stronger than what AZ came up with
2) The fed doesn't seem to want to bother with enforcing immigration law or at least is very inconsistent, unlike what it appears AZ want to do
3) The media's eyes are focused on AZ and as typical, they put blinders on for any inconvenient facts that get in the way of sensationalism

 

[Snuffy]

BE Informed, And well Read ...

Seems a couple folks in the government haven't got time to read ... any bill for that matter.

Its 10 pages.

Read it and point out the flaws if you can find em.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/sb1070s.pdf

 

[Terry]

Just listened to Megan Kelly on The O'Reilly Factor talk about the Arizona law. She made some very interesting legal reviews of federal law.

For example, how many of you knew that an FBI agent has legal authority, upheld by unanimous ruling by a federal appeals court, to pull over anyone for no probable cause simply to ask you for your alien documents? I presume if you produce a drivers license and claim citizenship the FBI agent will let you on your way -- but even as a citizen, you have no legal recourse against the FBI agent. Like I said, the federal district court upheld the legality of this federal authority by unanimous ruling!

By contrast, if an Arizona cop did this, without having any other probable cause based reason, the person (citizen or alien) has the authority under the Arizona law to file civil suit for damages (i.e. money, lots of it)? Big difference, wouldn't you say?

It's funny though, I've yet to hear anyone calling for boycott of Arizona also call for boycott of the United States! I wonder why?

Second important point ...

Right now, 86% of all American people support the right of local, county, state, and federal law enforcement to ask someone for proof of immigration or citizenship status if that request was originated by a probable cause of violating an ordinance or law. Yet, this is precisely what the Arizona law requires, and again, if the cop violates this requirement, the person can bring civil suit against the police!

These are facts, people.

Ken

Another little known fact, California has a similar and slightly tougher law on the books. The media ignores it and California does not enforce it.

 

[Lionheart]

Another little known fact, California has a similar and slightly tougher law on the books. The media ignores it and California does not enforce it.

I remember driving through checkpoints called Border Patrol, that were located on the main highway between San Diego and Los Angeles. Lots of green and white BP trucks driving around, fast...

 

[MCDesigns]

I remember driving through checkpoints called Border Patrol, that were located on the main highway between San Diego and Los Angeles. Lots of green and white BP trucks driving around, fast...

"obviously" not full and not enough of them :salute:

 

[Ken Stallings]

Another fact, again from actually reading the law (gee I wonder how much longer it will take some folks in the federal executive and legislative branches to get around to read all ten pages!!! LOL!!), if the Arizona law enforcement pulls you over and arrests you in violation of the restrictions contained in the Arizona law, then the state has the authority to fine the law enforcement agency between $500 and $1,500 a day for each day you are held in custody!

With the current pinch that all county and municipal governments are feeling today, you really think with that punishment actually spelled out in the law that they are going to enforce it loose and fast as some have claimed they will?

Since it seems California has even stricter laws, will Los Angeles boycott California now?

How exactly do you boycott yourself?

Ken

 

[pilottj]

pardon my sarcasm and i am sorry if i offend those who use meth but can we keep the illegal Mexicans who actually try to find work and deport the tweakers mooching off the system instead?

 

[Lionheart]

pardon my sarcasm and i am sorry if i offend those who use meth but can we keep the illegal Mexicans who actually try to find work and deport the tweakers mooching off the system instead?

LOLOLOL......

:d

 

[tigisfat]

pardon my sarcasm and i am sorry if i offend those who use meth but can we keep the illegal Mexicans who actually try to find work and deport the tweakers mooching off the system instead?

I agree whole heartedly. Sending someone to jail for destroying their life with drugs won't help anything. Sending them to Mexico will.:mixedsmi:


edit: wait, wait; I don't wish that on Mexico either. Maybe that's what we can use the last space shuttle launch for. Launching tweakers to the moon. We can make a reality show out of it.

 

[Ken Stallings]

I now wonder when do the shrill exclaims of the few but loud calm down and things reach equilibrium again?

Seems to be for all the bluff and bluster, that this law really attempts to help reduce crime and diminish the odds of civil bankruptcy. Can anyone logically call those goals out of bounds and reason?

And for those who claim this "isn't the way to do it," then how come so many years ago when the feds and other states claimed the same methods for themselves, this didn't blow up then into all this ruckus?

You know, before one protests something, I really think one ought to read and understand what it is that one is protesting! That way, the facts, when they emerge clear, aren't likely to cause arched eyebrows!

And finally, I think the good people of Arizona, and they are good people --damn good people, were really just faced with a difficult situation they didn't want, and became exasperated by abdication among those paid to take care of the situation not taking care of it! So, they met and formed a law that tried real hard to strike a balance of effectiveness with fairness. It pains me to see others (most of whom never had to face the tribulations that forced the law) pass aspersions and judgments upon the good people who reacted out of need.

Life would be a heap more harmonious if people just did their jobs honestly, vice out of efforts to score political points. Perhaps if the feds had done that then no state would have felt the need to take their own actions. Now they are, and more are going to soon. New Mexico and Texas are already seriously discussing similar legal remedies. Public will has spoken in a democracy. It takes a long time to mobilize such a will, but when it heads out on the path, it has a sizable momentum!

Ken

 

[Terry]

I now wonder when do the shrill exclaims of the few but loud calm down and things reach equilibrium again?

Seems to be for all the bluff and bluster, that this law really attempts to help reduce crime and diminish the odds of civil bankruptcy. Can anyone logically call those goals out of bounds and reason?

And for those who claim this "isn't the way to do it," then how come so many years ago when the feds and other states claimed the same methods for themselves, this didn't blow up then into all this ruckus?

You know, before one protests something, I really think one ought to read and understand what it is that one is protesting! That way, the facts, when they emerge clear, aren't likely to cause arched eyebrows!

And finally, I think the good people of Arizona, and they are good people --damn good people, were really just faced with a difficult situation they didn't want, and became exasperated by abdication among those paid to take care of the situation not taking care of it! So, they met and formed a law that tried real hard to strike a balance of effectiveness with fairness. It pains me to see others (most of whom never had to face the tribulations that forced the law) pass aspersions and judgments upon the good people who reacted out of need.

Life would be a heap more harmonious if people just did their jobs honestly, vice out of efforts to score political points. Perhaps if the feds had done that then no state would have felt the need to take their own actions. Now they are, and more are going to soon. New Mexico and Texas are already seriously discussing similar legal remedies. Public will has spoken in a democracy. It takes a long time to mobilize such a will, but when it heads out on the path, it has a sizable momentum!

Ken

Well stated Ken!