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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

    Post 16 Update

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At Last! DC-3 native on the way!

yes - actual airplanes have panels that are riveted - sometimes flush riveted - but riveted together none the less - and in the early days they were riveted to ribs and stringers and had a slight overlap to each other...creating a raised rivet line.

scale models in plastic originally had raised panel lines, but modelers would, in the course of sanding and finishing erase those raised lines - creating the extra task of having to recreate the lines by etching them back in...

so plastic model producers recessed the lines to facilitate modelers - not because it was more realistic...

of course the byproduct and funny part of that cure is that - on a scale model - the recessed lines look better at scale (or at least acceptable) and so have come to be what people who have experience with scale models expect to see on the R/L versions
 
Well......I guess my point is that these raised rivets/panel lines are being "overdone" just because, I think, the effect is available in FSX. I can say I've passed on a very recent release because of this very reason. Its a plane I'd love to have to fly but....I look for an appealing exterior model for many reasons.

I know there are visible raised rivets but frankly...some of these rivets would be a HUGE drag issue in real life.


Just my two cents....
 
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All that said....I think there is a difference in a raised panel "line" over a raised "panel" line. I the photo here that I took a couple weeks ago, I see raised rivets, screws, and panels. I don't see raised panel "lines.


Now, I think if we took a look at what bomber used to do when he did his P-51 repaints.....especially his late ones before going to FSX, you see what I will call a "relief" in the area of rivet lines, where the metal bows inward toward the frame itself, and just think, he did it with paint and not the model itself. I think if this was shown rather than the raised rivet line......I think it would be much more realistic.


AGAIN....just my two cents.


Agree?
 
This may help you to understand the subtlety of the C47 skin...;)

Guys I would wait until we've finished the bump-mapping and final textures. Remember these are dev shots. It has already changed since these were taken..
 
yes - developmental screen shots representing a work in progress...understood. Unusual to have so much paint applied to an unfinished airplane - but I accept it in the virtual world

yes - I have seen the final work of one or two modelers that might have overdone the effect.

a line of rivets should not by necessity create a raised line - especially in the middle of a panel that is simply riveted to a stringer or frame section...but where two panels come together or where a repair or patch has been applied there might be more of a lip or demarcation along the rivet line.

the C-47 versions should look especially beat up if they are going to wear theater paint...unless its understood that they are showbirds


regardless - I've seen enough here to know that I will likely add this work to my hard drive....I really hope the interior lighting and texturing in the cockpit is as good as this exterior appears to be.
 
bazzar said:
This may help you to understand the subtlety of the C47 skin...;)

Guys I would wait until we've finished the bump-mapping and final textures. Remember these are dev shots. It has already changed since these were taken..
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right - that clearly shows that in real life, they knew nothing about recessed panel lines...

proof that where the Dc-3 is concerned...the beauty is within the beast
 
skyhawka4m said:
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All that said....I think there is a difference in a raised panel "line" over a raised "panel" line. I the photo here that I took a couple weeks ago, I see raised rivets, screws, and panels. I don't see raised panel "lines.


Now, I think if we took a look at what bomber used to do when he did his P-51 repaints.....especially his late ones before going to FSX, you see what I will call a "relief" in the area of rivet lines, where the metal bows inward toward the frame itself, and just think, he did it with paint and not the model itself. I think if this was shown rather than the raised rivet line......I think it would be much more realistic.


AGAIN....just my two cents.


Agree?
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well - looking closely at the line just above the noseart - I see a definite raised seam under the rivet line...vs the lines of rivets just above that raised seam line and below it - where the panels are merely riveted to the airframe
 
Hi Baz,

Are you thinking of making an interior like the connie? Also, will all the gauges be custom, like in the wildcat or some default, like in the connie? (Please let them be custom.......Want 3D gauges!)
 
All gauges will be to the same standard as the new Spitfire and Hurricane. 3D, bumped and accurate.
 
What I saw was a C-47, not a DC-3. If you guys don't know he difference, God help us.
I'll wait for the MAAM version, thank you. At least the money goes to a worthy cause.
 
Helldiver said:
What I saw was a C-47, not a DC-3. If you guys don't know he difference, God help us.
I'll wait for the MAAM version, thank you. At least the money goes to a worthy cause.
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Could you clarify what you are referring to?

If you are referring to the product name (DC-3 - Legends of Flight), there is no need to worry about us knowing the difference between a C-47 and a DC-3. The package will include both.

Maybe I've misunderstood your post?

Thanks
Martyn
 
Helldiver said:
What I saw was a C-47, not a DC-3. If you guys don't know he difference, God help us.
I'll wait for the MAAM version, thank you. At least the money goes to a worthy cause.
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I'm sorry But I don't have to sit here and read this stuff. Why the hell are you so negative? Have you a kind word for anyone?

Of course we know the difference between a DC3 and a C47. why wouldn't we? It was a joke for God's sake. If you find it hard to be civil then I would suggest you don't comment. All you are doing is souring the mood around here and not setting any kind of example for younger readers.

I hope this doesn't close this thread as I believe in a right of reply and this is not criticism it's just plain bad manners.
 
Bazz, I hope you have included a Viewmaster in the DC-3.

Also both engine versions. P&W and Wright Cyclone.

Cheers
Pat
 
Hi Pat, how's it going mate?

Am I right in thinking that MacArthur used a Viewmaster when he was in Oz?

:engel016:
 
Hi,

You have to include a Viewmaster, think of all those Ansett-ANA/Butler Air Transport (yes, they did operate Ansett converted Viewmasters) and all of those SPANZ repaints. Who knows we may even see the art of SPANZmanship (An a campaign for SPANZ in the '60s) come to the skies of FSX! Heck, NAC even operated a viewmaster (ex SPANZ)!
 
As I said, I'll wait for the MAAM version, thank you. At least the money goes to a worthy cause.
Who ever saw a DF loop located that way. How did they steer it? With their feet?
Not being sour, just a thirst for the truth and what I saw was not a DC-3.
 
Helldiver,

As I explained in one of my earlier posts, the product is still in development and therefore we very much welcome any comments/feedback. Its one of the main reasons that I post preview pics on SOH. There is a wealth of knowledge here and we get excellent feedback from this community. We will do all that we can to make our products the best that they can be.

At least the money goes to a worthy cause.
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Are you trying to say that Barry's beer fund is not a worthy cause?!

You are more than welcome to hold out for MAAM's product, we have no desire to try and convince you otherwise.

Thanks
Martyn
 
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