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AV-8B Harrier Cockpit Updates

HUD Anomaly

This is why the HUD anomaly?

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As far as hover capability it is actively being looked into with a number of parties. In fact that was one of the first questions out of my mouth when I found out about this project. So rest assured that is a major priority. Cause it would be no good to have a Harrier that couldn't hover. Granted hover as a term I know as a helicopter mechanic means no movement forward/aft/lateral/vertically. In all of my Harrier encounters I have never seen one hover. From doing some research they have a water injection tank that enables them to do a true hover for somewhere around 30 seconds. I have only ever seen them do a kind of slow forward decent onto runways. Then to takeoff they get rolling forward and lift off that way. Anybody that has worked on them/piloted can correct me where I am wrong. I am going off what I have seen when I got stranded in Cherry Point for a week, and what I saw on deployment last year with them.
 
The Harrier can truly hover, in fact hover in unusual attitudes such as nose down while keeping station or lift the nose high and then power climb from a 'standing start' as it were. The water injection is used to increase the thrust especially useful for hot or heavy occasions. I've spent a lot of time around Harriers and have seen (heard) them hover for quite long periods.

About 35 seconds you can see a Sea Harrier doing a nose down hover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q53JeDN9oM8&feature=related
 
Those friggen things are loud, and I have seen them "bow to the crowd" many times myself. From speaking with Av8 pilots, its like balancing on the head of a pin. VERY difficult to do. Also, they need to worrie about injesting there own exhaust. That can cause a flame out and kill a pilot very quickly. The F-35 solved this by using a ducted fan in front. That way its only breathing in fresh air if it injest's air from the ducted fan. It will be interesting to see how far we can go with the Av8!
 
1984 at Cherry Point we lost 23 AV-8's and 16 pilots........very bad year! Point being, they were a hand full! Still one of my favorites, I could watch them all day.
 
Back in the early days CFS2 .etc a nice Hover effect was accomplished by using the flaps. I am not sure the exact nature of how it worked, but with full flap settings the plane could vertically take off, and with each lower setting its forward speed would increase.
 
Hi,

Why do I get a deja-vu feeling when reading these posts on what real (or FS-simulated) Harriers can / can't do ?? :d
Unfortunately, that 4-year old thread was lost when the SOH forum crashed a while back, because it contained a lot of info now discussed here again (apart from the really great screen shots for a new FSX-Harrier shown in this thread, of course).

In summery: pitch-down/pitch-up zero-airspeed hovers are very well possible, as is the famous Harrier "bowing"; by using an off-90-degrees setting of the nozzles system.
Both in real-life, and in an FS9/X-simulation; as I have demonstrated in many VTOL addons for true VTOL-capable aircraft like Harriers, JFS's, V22's, and alike.

However, as I explained via Email to the-person-asking-me about my VTOL solutions, my "solution" for this is freeware and can't be used in payware aircraft without paying licenses for the parts that I need in my gauge-based VTOL implementations (a.o. the use of FSUIPC).

Unfortunately, I'm not able to work around this "licensed" part, unless a clever and willing guy offers me a gauge that performs the same functionality I use in my XML gauge-code, enabling me to perform the same functions (accessible in XML) directly on the SimConnect interface.
Any takers ???? :bump:

Untill then, I'm (still) convinced that any implementation of a proper true "VTOL" behaviour for an aircraft like a Harrier can't be created using the FS9/X-basic FDE without using the kind of "tricks" I used.

But I'll very gladly be convinced that I'm wrong.
Because, after 5 years of working on this VTOL-stuff, I would very much welcome some real "competition" on this issue .....:icon_lol:

:ernae: Rob Barendregt
 
Roadburner440 said:
In all of my Harrier encounters I have never seen one hover. From doing some research they have a water injection tank that enables them to do a true hover for somewhere around 30 seconds. I have only ever seen them do a kind of slow forward decent onto runways. Then to takeoff they get rolling forward and lift off that way. Anybody that has worked on them/piloted can correct me where I am wrong. I am going off what I have seen when I got stranded in Cherry Point for a week, and what I saw on deployment last year with them.
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Harries can hover. I have seen them do this many times.

Our Harrier pilot, Jackie Jackson, did them all the time at air shows.

I work with several Harrier pilots and rest assured they will tell you they can hover.

-G-
 
So how much fuel does this burn? I presume the engines are at high output for a hoover.
 
IIRC....it is the toll on the engine's cooling system that becomes the limitation with stationary hovering....I'm sure that someone will correct me if this is wrong
 
Mr. Steve J. "Roadburner440,"

Would you kindly make a seperate Axis for the Thrust Vectoring nozzles from that of the Flaps. I've used a few FS2004/2002 models that married the flaps and the exhaust nozzles together and would work in unison with the dec./inc. of the flaps (either via the keyboard command and/or the Flaps Axis). I'd like to seperate them so that I can make a normal approach with flaps down without using the thrust vectoring as well as use them together for VSTOL. And, if you make it hover, thats a big PLUS to me.

Thanks! :wavey:
 
From the beginning we have not intended to interlock the flaps/hovering. As has been seen on other aircraft by many other developers FSX has a lot more flexibility with adding features in. It is only a question of how do you get there. It amazes me all the time the things that are being done that was a pipe dream many FS simulators ago.
 
Mr. "zsoltquack<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_263989", true); </SCRIPT>,"

You need to ask this question of Mr. David "smudge" Brice over at IRIS. He made that Aircraft for FS9 ONLY, when his company was DSB; so the textures are NOT acceleration/SP2 compatible.

Good Luck! :wavey:
 
JamesChams said:
Mr. "zsoltquack<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_263989", true); </SCRIPT>,"

You need to ask this question of Mr. David "smudge" Brice over at IRIS. He made that Aircraft for FS9 ONLY, when his company was DSB; so the textures are NOT acceleration/SP2 compatible.

Good Luck! :wavey:
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Hello,

Is there any solution? Because this version of the FSX model...

Thank you!
Best Regards,

Zsolt
 
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