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AVRO Project 621 and 621 Trainer - FSX port over uploaded!

Grass Field In Texas

Just downloaded, installed the Tutor and put it on the ground at a grass field in Texas. All I can say is WOW! Thank you Nigel. I was suprised at its power. I guess maybe because it is lighter than a Stearman. I love all your animations especially the starter crank. Had fun flying around the field and doing touch and go's. Here is a pic on the ground in the evening mist :encouragement:

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WOW! What a delight. Thank you Nigel and Team for this awesome piece of Golden Age aviation, and to Ulrich for the FSX Native conversion. Outstanding on all fronts.

Steve
 
MZee1960 said:
Do you have any pics of this rudder shadow anomaly in FSX SP2, please ?
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Hope this works. Location Biggin Hill, 6th august 2019, 11:53 local. Its very critical on direction, otherwise it appears normal. I notice this time that the elevator also affected.
Keith
 

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Postbaer61 said:
If anyone would like to have
VC cockpit lights or airplane camera settings
for the Avro's, here are my settings.

First make a backup of your aircraft.cfg !!

then right klick the aircraft.cfg to open it with the Editor.
copy and paste the following lines


[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
light.0 = 4, -0.35, 0.00, 1.25, fx_vclight
light.1 = 4, -2.45, 0.00, 1.25, fx_vclight


[CameraDefinition.0]
Title = "Right Wing"
Guid = {841b13cd-7f9b-45c3-a8f2-e6843c1ef869}
Description = Looking at the right side of the plane
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 20.5, 0.6, -0.2
InitialPbh = 0, 0, 267
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
ClipMode=Minimum


[CameraDefinition.1]
Title = "Left Wing"
Guid = {fb95d0a2-c811-4a29-bb7d-055ef1aff86c}
Description = Looking at the left side of the plane
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -24.5, 0.9, -2.6
InitialPbh = 0, 0, 87
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
ClipMode=Minimum


[CameraDefinition.2]
Title = "Tail view"
Guid = {87732929-93f4-43a7-a5a0-901e16fe7d0d}
Description = tail view over the airplane
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.75
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 0, 3.5, -19.5
InitialPbh = 4, 0, 0
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum


[CameraDefinition.3]
Title = "Nose view"
Guid = {0032527f-b6f4-4c52-8a63-ff24798c2cc2}
Description = front view of the airplane
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.75
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz=-0.0, 1.50, 17.0
InitialPbh=4.5, 0.0, 180.0
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=false
ClipMode=Minimum


[CameraDefinition.001]
Title = "Fuel level indicator "
Guid = {4db3b21f-e26a-42f8-8aec-e41a966e7c28}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = Yes
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = YES
AllowZoom = True
InitialZoom = -0.3
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=50
HeadingPanRate=75
panacceleratortime=0
InitialXyz=0.0, 0.00, 0.7
InitialPbh=0, 0, 0


[CameraDefinition.002]
Title = "Starter view"
Guid = {03f800d2-e634-432b-89cf-e99d98a161f5}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = Yes
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = YES
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.75
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=30
HeadingPanRate=80
InitialXyz=0.0, -0.4, 0.0
InitialPbh=6, 0, 25


[CameraDefinition.003]
Title = "Landing view Left"
Guid = {a6e853de-dda0-48e2-a808-3e91700f6dc5}
Origin=Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect=Yes
SnapPbhAdjust=Swivel
SnapPbhReturn=False
PanPbhAdjust=Swivel
PanPbhReturn=False
Track=None
ShowAxis=YES
AllowZoom=True
InitialZoom=0.7
SmoothZoomTime=2.0
ZoomPanScalar=1.0
ShowWeather=Yes
XyzAdjust=TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category=Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
PanAcceleratorTime=0
InitialXyz=-0.3, 0.05, 0.0
InitialPbh=9, 0, 0


[CameraDefinition.004]
Title = "Landing view Right"
Guid = {e62797d8-6a6e-451a-b2a2-08cbad69aae1}
Origin=Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect=Yes
SnapPbhAdjust=Swivel
SnapPbhReturn=False
PanPbhAdjust=Swivel
PanPbhReturn=False
Track=None
ShowAxis=YES
AllowZoom=TRUE
InitialZoom=0.7
SmoothZoomTime=2.0
ZoomPanScalar=1.0
ShowWeather=Yes
XyzAdjust=TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category=Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
PanAcceleratorTime=0
InitialXyz=0.3, 0.05, 0.0
InitialPbh=9, 0, 0



safe and close the Editor.
That's all.

Ulrich
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Awesome camera views, Ulrich -thank you for graciously sharing them here. :encouragement:
 
tgycgijoes said:
Just downloaded, installed the Tutor and put it on the ground at a grass field in Texas. All I can say is WOW! Thank you Nigel. I was suprised at its power. I guess maybe because it is lighter than a Stearman. I love all your animations especially the starter crank. Had fun flying around the field and doing touch and go's. Here is a pic on the ground in the evening mist :encouragement:

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Exactly the kind of atmosphere and environment to enjoy the AVROs, tgycgijoes :)

Have FUN!


Duckie said:
WOW! What a delight. Thank you Nigel and Team for this awesome piece of Golden Age aviation, and to Ulrich for the FSX Native conversion. Outstanding on all fronts.


Steve
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Hey there Steve :)

Thank YOU, my friend - hope the AVROs provide you with many leisurely hours of enjoyment.
 
Dev One said:
Hope this works. Location Biggin Hill, 6th august 2019, 11:53 local. Its very critical on direction, otherwise it appears normal. I notice this time that the elevator also affected.
Keith
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Biggin, Keith? Hmmmm...could be the 'bump' :)

Seriously; those shadows certainly do appear odd - haven't been able to reproduce the abnomally yet.
 
nigel richards said:
Biggin, Keith? Hmmmm...could be the 'bump' :)

Seriously; those shadows certainly do appear odd - haven't been able to reproduce the abnomally yet.
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Nigel, the other thing I have noticed is that if there is no shadow with rudder straight, on some headings the horn balance shadow can show with rudder deflected, to me it looks as if there is a hidden part as part of the rudder, which also gives the shadow on the elevator. Weird. Nothing else seen on the model & it does not seem to vary with time of day or season so far, must try inverted?
I'm also finding that she seems less stable in pitch compared with FS9 using your (James') FDE & also mine. Had similar effects on some of my models.
Keith

Edit. Yes it does show when inverted.
 

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nigel richards said:
Awesome camera views, Ulrich -thank you for graciously sharing them here. :encouragement:
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Ditto Ulrich :encouragement:

For those using FS9, one can also add a landing view using Num pad 5 - look down - & locking the view in position with SHIFT.
Add this to your Panel.cfg in the [VIEWS] section it will give a left landing view. Change the -0.3 to positive if you prefer the right side landing view. Doesn't seem to work in FSX SP2!

VIEW_DOWN_DIR=9.0, 0.0, 0.0
VIEW_DOWN_EYE=-.30, 0.05, 0.0
Keith
 
downwind said:
Now that we have this exceptional aircraft, I am interested in a period RAF airfield/ scenery that would be appropriate to operate from. Any suggestions, freeware or payware?
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RAF Bicester, theres an fs9 scenery that would probably work by Tim Dale (at Flightsim.com); and one for FSX by Jon Davidson (also at flightsim.com)
because at the time the Avro's were in use most RAF airfields were grass only; no hard runways (these started to become more common from 1942 on) and Bicester was one of the few (along with Syerston,Newton and Henlow to name three) that didn't get a hard runway.


Ttfn

Pete
 
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Thank you so much for this amazing aircraft Nigel.

I have been following the development of it over time and the screen shots that the beta testers posted always made me jealous.

However they didn't do it justice. You deserve a standing ovation from the whole community for this aircraft :applause::applause::applause:.

It is better than a lot of payware.

Gavin
 
Postbaer61 said:
Hello Keith,

Sorry, but i also haven't been able to reproduce the abnormally shadows yet.
Shots from FSX ACC
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Hello PB, I have just tried in FSX +A & yes it is still there but very feint & fleetingly on the rudder - it just shows as a feint hatching in this shot. It lasts for about 1° heading & the attached is the best I can do from my laptop W10 installation - the other shots are from my desktop W8.1 version which were posted in .jpg. This shot I've tried to post .bmp as it might hopefully show in more detail. Its not a problem but just curious as to why some things happen.
 

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I have checked it in MCX, but nothing unusual

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hmm, i think we have to wait for Nigel's
FSX native version, to see if it's not caused by
your FSX installation.
 
Postbaer61 said:
I have checked it in MCX, but nothing unusual

znAlktH.jpg


SFFxZ2N.jpg


hmm, i think we have to wait for Nigel's
FSX native version, to see if it's not caused by
your FSX installation.
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Just curious because never used that programme, but there a yellow boundary box in the top picture, which seems to be the side view of the fin, but it is the span of the inner elevator - should it be that wide? I notice also in the lower picture that there is a shade change in the rudder at about the position the shadow starts. But as said before it is not a big problem.
Keith
 
gavinc said:
Thank you so much for this amazing aircraft Nigel.

I have been following the development of it over time and the screen shots that the beta testers posted always made me jealous.

However they didn't do it justice. You deserve a standing ovation from the whole community for this aircraft.

It is better than a lot of payware.

Gavin
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Enormously appreciated, Gavin :)
My standing ovation goes to the enormous support and enthusiasm shown here which really does reward the efforts of any developer.

Postbaer61 said:
I have checked it in MCX, but nothing unusual

znAlktH.jpg


SFFxZ2N.jpg


hmm, i think we have to wait for Nigel's
FSX native version, to see if it's not caused by
your FSX installation.
Click to expand...

Thanks for checking things out in MCX, Ulrich :)
No hidden gremlins in the max files either.
 
Your collective knowledge is impressive. The above fascinates me!

It reminds me that I recently paid good money for a P-51 on which the nose art is upside-down and the surfaces and reflections aren't nearly as good as the Tutor's.

 
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downwind said:
Your collective knowledge is impressive. The above fascinates me!

It reminds me that I recently paid good money for a P-51 on which the nose art is upside-down and the surfaces and reflections aren't nearly as good as the Tutor's.
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Hmmm...perhaps more or less 3 years of 12/7 spent on the AVROs has something to do with it, Downwind.
12/7 that is, except when my off-grid power system decides to head South :-(

That, and a PHENOMENAL team of Beta testers!!!

Now I hear the voices: "Go West Young man, GO WEST!"...

:running:
 
Postbaer61 said:
If anyone would like to have
VC cockpit lights or airplane camera settings
for the Avro's, here are my settings.

First make a backup of your aircraft.cfg !!

then right klick the aircraft.cfg to open it with the Editor.
copy and paste the following lines


[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
light.0 = 4, -0.35, 0.00, 1.25, fx_vclight
light.1 = 4, -2.45, 0.00, 1.25, fx_vclight


[CameraDefinition.0]
Title = "Right Wing"
Guid = {841b13cd-7f9b-45c3-a8f2-e6843c1ef869}
Description = Looking at the right side of the plane
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 20.5, 0.6, -0.2
InitialPbh = 0, 0, 267
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
ClipMode=Minimum


[CameraDefinition.1]
Title = "Left Wing"
Guid = {fb95d0a2-c811-4a29-bb7d-055ef1aff86c}
Description = Looking at the left side of the plane
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -24.5, 0.9, -2.6
InitialPbh = 0, 0, 87
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
ClipMode=Minimum


[CameraDefinition.2]
Title = "Tail view"
Guid = {87732929-93f4-43a7-a5a0-901e16fe7d0d}
Description = tail view over the airplane
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.75
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 0, 3.5, -19.5
InitialPbh = 4, 0, 0
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum


[CameraDefinition.3]
Title = "Nose view"
Guid = {0032527f-b6f4-4c52-8a63-ff24798c2cc2}
Description = front view of the airplane
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.75
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz=-0.0, 1.50, 17.0
InitialPbh=4.5, 0.0, 180.0
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=false
ClipMode=Minimum


[CameraDefinition.001]
Title = "Fuel level indicator "
Guid = {4db3b21f-e26a-42f8-8aec-e41a966e7c28}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = Yes
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = YES
AllowZoom = True
InitialZoom = -0.3
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=50
HeadingPanRate=75
panacceleratortime=0
InitialXyz=0.0, 0.00, 0.7
InitialPbh=0, 0, 0


[CameraDefinition.002]
Title = "Starter view"
Guid = {03f800d2-e634-432b-89cf-e99d98a161f5}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = Yes
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = YES
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.75
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=30
HeadingPanRate=80
InitialXyz=0.0, -0.4, 0.0
InitialPbh=6, 0, 25


[CameraDefinition.003]
Title = "Landing view Left"
Guid = {a6e853de-dda0-48e2-a808-3e91700f6dc5}
Origin=Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect=Yes
SnapPbhAdjust=Swivel
SnapPbhReturn=False
PanPbhAdjust=Swivel
PanPbhReturn=False
Track=None
ShowAxis=YES
AllowZoom=True
InitialZoom=0.7
SmoothZoomTime=2.0
ZoomPanScalar=1.0
ShowWeather=Yes
XyzAdjust=TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category=Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
PanAcceleratorTime=0
InitialXyz=-0.3, 0.05, 0.0
InitialPbh=9, 0, 0


[CameraDefinition.004]
Title = "Landing view Right"
Guid = {e62797d8-6a6e-451a-b2a2-08cbad69aae1}
Origin=Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect=Yes
SnapPbhAdjust=Swivel
SnapPbhReturn=False
PanPbhAdjust=Swivel
PanPbhReturn=False
Track=None
ShowAxis=YES
AllowZoom=TRUE
InitialZoom=0.7
SmoothZoomTime=2.0
ZoomPanScalar=1.0
ShowWeather=Yes
XyzAdjust=TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category=Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
PanAcceleratorTime=0
InitialXyz=0.3, 0.05, 0.0
InitialPbh=9, 0, 0



safe and close the Editor.
That's all.

Ulrich
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Thanks Ulrich, those worked very well in my p3d setup. Only one I would change is the one called "Fuel level indicator" which is actually the forward cockpit, and should probably be moved forward a bit and zoomed out a bit.
 
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