The older titles you guys named was the golden era of combat flight a simulation.
Jane's USNF & USMF were the catalysts that lead to the formation of the 257th Wildbunch online flight group. When the Jane's series was the hot thing, the 257th flight group was involved behind the scenes with a few of their titles. One I had minor input on was Jane's F-15, which still holds a place in my top 5 list of best combat flight sims ever. Eventually, several of us in the 257th went on to work under NDA to Hasbro/Micropose on the final official release of Falcon4.0.
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