Led Zeppelin
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New mission pack coming soon.... chasing the U-Boots over cold and dark North Atlantic water is a deadly job...
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Battle of the Atlantic
- Thread starter Led Zeppelin
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Made a new sub the other day. Someone sent me a mesh and I made a MkVIIC flak boat. It has eight 20mm cannon plus 1 37mm gun. I am not pleased with how easy the subs are to sink. A depth charge anywhere near them and down they go. The depth charges had a kill radius of 25-30 feet so ours I fear are too powerful or the subs are too fragile.
I'll have the new flak boat ready soon. I may make a sailable one too.
Made a new sub the other day. Someone sent me a mesh and I made a MkVIIC flak boat. It has eight 20mm cannon plus 1 37mm gun. I am not pleased with how easy the subs are to sink. A depth charge anywhere near them and down they go. The depth charges had a kill radius of 25-30 feet so ours I fear are too powerful or the subs are too fragile.
I'll have the new flak boat ready soon. I may make a sailable one too.
HouseHobbit
Charter Member
Great!!
I get to sink nasty U-boats..
I like sinking nasty U-boats, I can't wait..
BRAVO..:salute: :salute:
I get to sink nasty U-boats..
I like sinking nasty U-boats, I can't wait..
BRAVO..:salute: :salute:
BeauBrummie
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This is Spooky Ted. I have just aired such ideas as this with Rob. It seems to me that they are too feeble in the flak department for those who were tooled up to implement Doenitz's stand and fight order. This did cost the U-boats in increased casualties, but they also doubled CC's losses. With the present flak, I have not lost an aircraft to this defence. So a realistic Trigg mission is impossible.
I am less concerned about the effect of the DC's. In all my reading an accurately delivered straddle nearly always sunk the boat, however there doesn't appear to have any room for damaged boats. They either seem untouched or sunk.
I've had a thought today about an effect for sunk U-boats. As they are sinking, as well as oil slick and smoke, how about a few life rafts? Lol ;-)
BeauBrummie
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Led Zeppelin
Charter Member
And with your 109G-8, it will be possible to add a mission tye that have not yet been covered in CFS3. I'm working on it but I first finish the Atlantic set. Don't wrorry, this one will be in the MTO, southern France near Toulon.... august 15th 1944, seems that it has been a quite buisy day in the area.
Led Zeppelin
Charter Member
Probably but not so much. I've setup flak as 'Rookie' and I use to be hit by flak when I perform an attack on a U-Boot, even flying a fighter for a high speed strafing.
Most vulnerable aircrafts are CC heavies, I'm hit nearly each time I attack a lone submarine in the Bay of Biscay. The most vulnerable one is the Catalina due to it's low speed. But, where you're right, is that I'm rarely shot down.
I haven't tested with flak setup as 'Ace'. Sure that it's much more dangerous and closer to what you're looking for.
I think that the subs are too fragile. I can't sink or heavily damage a U-Boot with a near miss, the DP's must explode really close to the vessel, bombing runs must be accurate.
But, a submarine can be sink with 50cal machine guns so yes, I think it's too fragile.
There is something that is really realistic and that shouldn't be altered. In the spring of 1943, FAA used a new tactic to attack U-Boots in the Atlantic; prior to the bomber attack, a fighter was tasked to strafe the submarine to reduce AA fire. This tactic gave good results and this is also the case in CFS3.
I've build missions using this tactic and each time, after the fighter strafing pass, the submarine is damaged and AA guns are destroyed. When you're flying a slow Swordfish, it's a good news! I always place two submarines in order to not have a 'milk run' mission while flying the bomber (Swordfish or Avenger). When you're seating in the Martlet cockpit, this is another story, the first pass is really dangerous and I use to be hit (I've never been shot down).
I haven't read as much books as you on the subject but I haven't the same feeling. For me, it was particulary difficult to perform a good bombing pass with a CC heavy and many U-Boots were 'only' damaged.
Typical exemple with the U-802. This one survived the war and was operated during the worst period of the war for the U-Boote.
According to uboat.net ( http://www.uboat.net/boats/u802.html ), this vessel has been attacked twice by DPs launched from aircrafts and was only damaged.
In his book "Search, find and kill" ( http://books.google.fr/books?id=aGc...ook_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA ), Norman Franks reports that it has been damaged near the isle of Groix by DP's dropped from a Hallifax (502 sqn) while coming back to Keroman (Lorient) in the night of july 8-9th 1944. This action has been later confirmed by Helmut Schmoeckel (the commander) and John Davenport (the Halifax pilot). This time, the DP's were really close.
This means that this submarine survived 3 DP's attacks from aircrafts and survived. I don't think this is an isolated case.
Oh yes, great idea!
dewoitine
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December 14 1939:salute:
December 14 1939:salute:
New mission pack coming soon.... chasing the U-Boots over cold and dark North Atlantic water is a deadly job...
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This looks great!
What Expansion is this to be put in?
flyer01
Led Zeppelin
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It's uploaded, it should be available within several hours:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?catid=9&linkid=2605
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I made ia flak sub years ago. But it doesn't look like I uploaded it. Look forward to seeing yours Ted.
Pat Pattle
SOH-CM-2025
Looks very interesting LZ, thanks!
I think ships models are like vehicles in that they only have 2 damage states. If a ship was made as a building which have 3 states (but making it static, unfortunately) it could be made to be 'crippled'.
I think ships models are like vehicles in that they only have 2 damage states. If a ship was made as a building which have 3 states (but making it static, unfortunately) it could be made to be 'crippled'.