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Makes sense to me.
We all bought FSX ONE time. Unless you lose or damage your disc, they sell one copy every 4 years.
Acceleration was a step in the right direction since they know we will buy ANYTHING they sling out.
I still do not undertand why MS didnt milk the sim with frequent downloadable content.
Instead they sat back and watched CS sell $60 broken planes and let places like Simmarket sell anything and everthing for their sim with no quality control what so ever.
Grass,colored water,sounds,clouds,lights,cracks in the pavement, SELL IT!
Now MS gets to control their property and gain control over the poeple making $$$ off it.
Valve did this. You did not OWN the game, they were simply letting you use it.
I fought that idea tooth and nail but in the end, if I wanted to play Half Life2, I had no choice.
MS knows we will be frothing at the mouth and in a frenzy over any sim release and make a killing.
All we can hope for is another big hitter jumping in and trying to take advantage of the situation.
FSX has been beat up since day 1 and years later nobody has offered any real competition so I am not optimistic it will ever happen.
 
I am not at all surprised by this move! Only one thing came to mind when I read that article, it was "Life is to short!" Once FSX's life expectancy expires, whenever that may be, I think I would be pretty hard pressed to look at anything "online" in the FS style of gaming.

The good news is, I do not need to build another PC in two years and I can just be happy with what I have. As long as 3rd party companies keep putting the stuff they put out for FSX and FS9 I will continue to buy it, when that day comes to an end then it will be time to find a new hobby.
 
I just read the link Solar Eagle and realised that I'm too far removed from "modern" to even grasp the concept of "Live" = Pleasure.
As long as there is a generator to power my pc and all the EMPs haven't taken out my hardware, I can still fly planes after the Apocalypse.
 
hehe the funny thing is, in other news, MS has recently said its no interest in the XBOX 720 yet and is quite happy to carry on in the meantime with the 360.
 
It will be a cold day in hell before download a "patch or "update " from MS for FSX.
Same with connecting online with FSX.
I remember with Falcon Allied Force I was also using a 3rd party payware hi rez cockpit. I installed a "patch" from the developter of the sim and it disabled the addon and you couldnt reinstall it.
Seems the developer wasnt getting any of the $$$ from the cockpit builder.
Not that MS would pull such as stunt.
I bought Gears of War for the PC and found out you HAD to sign up and join MS's online site. You were not forced too,you just couldnt make in game changes or save your progress.
Its was free but my computer/browser whatever refuses to connect to their server.
A trip to their forums and it was total anarchy. I counted some 60 pages full of complains and technical problems.
The answer I and alot received to solve our problem?
Format the system and get Vista. Also those who were paying online customers were reporting fewer issues.
Man this whole idea is smelly.
But again I can understand the $$$ aspect of it.
 
I'm totally disappointed in MS, Mr Balmer being an aviation person (he does own a Mustang & several other historic aircraft) this is the most upsetting thing.
I doubt Mr Balmer would EVER read this but this situation is akin to the FAA coming in to say the Mr Balmer you CANNOT operate your aircraft, you CANNOT let people visit your museum without paying the people who visit it & view it for a "fee".
Micro$oft has given us a "standard PC operating system" over the years of which i do appreciate & use all i would expect in reverse for the high cost of purchasing a licence for windows is a bloody decent flight sim & other software (inc. games) - all of which cost a fair amount of money.

Micro$oft it is in YOUR long-term interests & profitability that you SERVE the customers of which have made you rather affluent over the years. The current financial downturn is just that. Things will & do recover, fair enough to suspend development of FS11 & wait for times to be better that i agree with. I personally happy to have a 3 to 5 year turnaround as it lets things mature but also you could have less staff working long term on a project & thus would ensure a more bug-free release. but in essence i am saying that these "corporate types" just DO NOT SERVE THE CUSTOMER anymore & they bloody well wonder WHY pofits go down & sales go down whilst they pay themselves truck-loads of money thinking that their salaries make them worthwile & important people.
What would i do if i were M$?
Yes make a flight sim & have the best of both worlds i.e.

  • have a console version with the "live content", see how it goes it may well increase the customer base & make a profit.
  • Cater for the PC & thus hobby market that has the benifit of long term support of company products.
I personally USE FSX as a simulator to practice proceedures such as navigating, nav-aid use etc for real world stuff as it benifits me. X-Plane is not an option, only good for north america.
 
M$ can shove their "pay for play" up their ol gazoo. And if it won't play on a PC, I won't have it.... I will not go console. And if enough people stay the course, M$ could hang itself. If they go console only for FS they're making the biggest mistake ever. I actually hope they eventually go broke from their resent "dumba*ss decisions. It would serve them right.

Now if Apple picks up on all if this, think of the repercussions. We could be with Lionheart and all have Macs that would run PC games as we do now with MS. Come on Apple... git r dun.

Just my 2 cents that don't mean all that much.
 
Francois said:
If you think you know better than some 15.000 MS lawyers that have studied that EULA, then good luck to you........ :faint:






:ernae:
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Those 15,000 Ms lawyers know that not everything is to be taken literally. There are courtroom theatrics lawyers employ that will get thrown out, just as there are illegal demands in nearly every EULA. The average EULA wouldn't last five seconds in court.
 
it is very frustrating - but a change was likely and I guess until we see what shakes out of all this talk and forecasting - we will have to get by with our PC's....and FSX core as it is.

afterall - we're not talking about tomorrow or next week here.

and if they think they can sell this idea the way it looks to me today - well - they're dumber than they look.:wavey:
 
I have no idea what MS is up to, and to the best of my knowledge, neither does anyone else around here. Having said that,
1) I have FSX, but can't run it yet
2) I'm still enjoying FS9 and they aren't going to change that.
3) Hopefully Austin Meyers will recognize the marketing possibilities and make it so planes designed in gmax/3dsmax can be imported into X-Plane and used as the "visual" model for the x-plane aircraft. If X-Plane aircraft looked as good as FS aircraft and the terrain could be updated as well as in FS, I would be there in a heartbeat. Hopefully he'll recognize that now is his chance to make a huge incursion into the MS marketplace.

Barring that, I wonder how long the aces team non compete agreement is for? Maybe it's time for a good open source flight simulator? Whatever the case, there will always be something for us.

If MS is actually thinking what some people are claiming here, well, I'm LMAO, because it quite literally doesn't understand this market if that's what they're thinking. Time will tell.
 
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Darn, there is no proof of any of this nonsense. I can't believe a bunch of grown men can act like gossiping women!!! MS is going to do whatever they want to do, no matter what anyone here wants them to do. They closed the Aces Studio because of our lovely economy. Have you noticed alot of business's have cut back. Did MS become MS because they don't know business? One thing you can be sure of is that if the Flight Simulator series is something MS think they can make money on they aren't going to drop it. So, take a breath and enjoy what we have, FSX is still cutting edge and has alot of life left in it!
 
Sundog said:
Hopefully Austin Meyers will recognize the marketing possibilities and make it so planes designed in gmax/3dsmax can be imported into X-Plane and used as the "visual" model for the x-plane aircraft. If X-Plane aircraft looked as good as FS aircraft and the terrain could be updated as well as in FS, I would be there in a heartbeat. Hopefully he'll recognize that now is his chance to make a huge incursion into the MS marketplace.
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I's already possible. BUT X-Plane doesn't have an equivalent for easy xml scripting like FS9/FSX do. If you want to expand X-Plane capabilities you have to write c++ plugins, which aint easy. That's why you can have nice looking plane in X-Plane already, but don't count on Accusim-like systems.
 
empeck said:
I's already possible. BUT X-Plane doesn't have an equivalent for easy xml scripting like FS9/FSX do. If you want to expand X-Plane capabilities you have to write c++ plugins, which aint easy. That's why you can have nice looking plane in X-Plane already, but don't count on Accusim-like systems.
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There was a very long thread taking place at AVSIM...

...until I started asking questions regarding the capabilities of the "gauge and panel system."

After several generalized replies, and one link to the "SDK" was made...

...THUD! :faint:

Thread ends with my final questions unanswered. :monkies:

From that I conclude that it would not be possible to render this panel in X-Plane:
 
I honestly tried to export my A-6 into the X-plane system(can´t call it a sim) and Bill....i hit that wall so hard, that i just decided that FS98 died 11 yrs ago...
Best regards
Prowler
 
n4gix said:
There was a very long thread taking place at AVSIM...

...until I started asking questions regarding the capabilities of the "gauge and panel system."

After several generalized replies, and one link to the "SDK" was made...

...THUD! :faint:

Thread ends with my final questions unanswered. :monkies:

From that I conclude that it would not be possible to render this panel in X-Plane:
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Could you give a link to that thread at Avsim?
 
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