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Call for research material... (Fairchild C119G Boxcar)
- Thread starter Firekitten
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Firekitten
Charter Member 2016
An update of sorts...
We're still collecting material, but people have been helpful so far, and we've quite a library of material.
I spoke with Mr Yamamoto, the creator of one of only two C119's in Flight sim at the moment.
Mr Yamamoto has agreed to allow us to take his model, which for its age, was actually really good.. and go from there. It's also rather accurate dimension-wise. So this will be a slimmed down LDR project, not a full blown 6month-1 year project: We aim to have this done fairly quickly.
What we're doing;
We're taking Mr Yamamoto's original 119, and upgrading it to FSX/P3D standard. Which means enhancing the model, adding to it, and creating a more detailed exterior model, remapped and textured to modern standards with normal's and specular maps.
Inside... we're ripping things back to bare bones and taking it up a notch. How far... yet to be determined, but It will receive a whole new level of TLC and modernization to current standards of sim tools.
How it's going to work out; no idea yet, but We're finishing off the Mallard, and the Navion A is 99% done, so aside from a few effects, manuals and other bits... those two are nearly out o the hangar, and we hope to have the Mallard out as an early Christmas present for you all.
The C119 has long been a personal favorite of mine, and one I lamented the lack of a FSX native version of for a long time. I persuaded Larry to take this one on, and he, being a generally awesome human being has done stellar work so far in the week we've been working on it. The progress is staggering.
The end goal is to have a freeware plane worth flying, one that can be enjoyed and experienced. It's not going to be a full depth A2A aircraft, nor is it going to be a 24 hour 50 poly quickly with ms paint textures, but we're going to do our best to create something enjoyable during the project downtime we have.
We do have several irons in the fire for 'proper' LDR projects coming soon, you'll love them...
We're still collecting material, but people have been helpful so far, and we've quite a library of material.
I spoke with Mr Yamamoto, the creator of one of only two C119's in Flight sim at the moment.
Mr Yamamoto has agreed to allow us to take his model, which for its age, was actually really good.. and go from there. It's also rather accurate dimension-wise. So this will be a slimmed down LDR project, not a full blown 6month-1 year project: We aim to have this done fairly quickly.
What we're doing;
We're taking Mr Yamamoto's original 119, and upgrading it to FSX/P3D standard. Which means enhancing the model, adding to it, and creating a more detailed exterior model, remapped and textured to modern standards with normal's and specular maps.
Inside... we're ripping things back to bare bones and taking it up a notch. How far... yet to be determined, but It will receive a whole new level of TLC and modernization to current standards of sim tools.
How it's going to work out; no idea yet, but We're finishing off the Mallard, and the Navion A is 99% done, so aside from a few effects, manuals and other bits... those two are nearly out o the hangar, and we hope to have the Mallard out as an early Christmas present for you all.
The C119 has long been a personal favorite of mine, and one I lamented the lack of a FSX native version of for a long time. I persuaded Larry to take this one on, and he, being a generally awesome human being has done stellar work so far in the week we've been working on it. The progress is staggering.
The end goal is to have a freeware plane worth flying, one that can be enjoyed and experienced. It's not going to be a full depth A2A aircraft, nor is it going to be a 24 hour 50 poly quickly with ms paint textures, but we're going to do our best to create something enjoyable during the project downtime we have.
We do have several irons in the fire for 'proper' LDR projects coming soon, you'll love them...
After a week's work this is what we have:
Most of the outside has been re-mapped and extra polys added where required (the white parts are still original). I've built a whole new left engine, cowling, cowl flaps and prop hub and the cargo section of the interior has been completely rebuilt to FSX standards including the addition of opening crew door, opening clamshell doors and opening para doors within the clamshells. All the cargo interior has been mapped too and is already getting some early paint.Things are moving fast!
Most of the outside has been re-mapped and extra polys added where required (the white parts are still original). I've built a whole new left engine, cowling, cowl flaps and prop hub and the cargo section of the interior has been completely rebuilt to FSX standards including the addition of opening crew door, opening clamshell doors and opening para doors within the clamshells. All the cargo interior has been mapped too and is already getting some early paint.Things are moving fast!
Firekitten
Charter Member 2016
Inside was ready to roll... so I started there...
tankerguy72
SOH-CM-2023
Really Really looking forward to this! Flew the wings off the FS9 model and always wished for a Native one. Great job so far its in the right hands!
Here are some inside shots of the 119 for ya
Here are some inside shots of the 119 for ya
Great progress in a short period of time. This is looking scrumptious. 
After a week's work this is what we have:
Sorry to hijack, but it suddenly hit me..
It will be amazing to have a plane, a Cessna 172, marked as above in red, but marked 'Rudder, Flaps, etc. Our VA mentors & instructs 30 kids a year, & it will be great to have a plane marked with it's parts for them.
Peg o my heart
Members +
Alas..I didn't know that this such a plane existed, let alone helping research material. Anyway, looking forward to this one
This is great to read and see, thanks for your hard work!
Unfortunately, there is no C-119 in any museum near where I live, otherwise I would have planned a field trip to do a photo shooting session for texture mapping or documentary purposes.
All the best,
Mark
Unfortunately, there is no C-119 in any museum near where I live, otherwise I would have planned a field trip to do a photo shooting session for texture mapping or documentary purposes.
All the best,
Mark
mvg3d
Charter Member
Inside was ready to roll... so I started there...
Hi Rachael,
Your job is really astounding !!!
A "silly" request : can we hope in an AC-119 (w/jet) and C-119J versions ?
We are making the C-119G model and the jet pack will be configured to hide/display as required. It will be non-functional as FSX does not support multiple propulsion types on a single aircraft.
Both the AC-119 and the J model would require major re-working of the exterior and interior models and at this point we have no plans for them as we have other aircraft in development we need to get finished too.
Cirrus N210MS
Charter Member
wow looking great
Just FYI, found a nice reference site with walkarounds and all kind of useful information:
http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/c-119/c-119_all.shtml
Cheers,
Mark
http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/c-119/c-119_all.shtml
Cheers,
Mark
Calling aircraft fitters/maintenance guys, we need your help!
Have a look at the image below as we are trying to work out how it works.
We know E and F are ailerons, G is a regular trim tab while we think H is an anti-servo tab.
What we can't figure out is:
1. Do E and F move together and if so why are they split, what purpose do they serve being in two parts?
2. If H is an anti-servo tab then we assume it works in the opposite direction to the aileron to increase back-pressure on the controls.
3. It's not clear in the drawing but if the short push-pull rod on the inboard bellcrank is connected to the inboard aileron then that takes care of the aileron movement for that aileron while the longer push-pull rod transfers the same movements to the outboard aileron. Therefore both move in unison. Is that correct?
Any help would be appreciated as it's very confusing at the moment.
Have a look at the image below as we are trying to work out how it works.
We know E and F are ailerons, G is a regular trim tab while we think H is an anti-servo tab.
What we can't figure out is:
1. Do E and F move together and if so why are they split, what purpose do they serve being in two parts?
2. If H is an anti-servo tab then we assume it works in the opposite direction to the aileron to increase back-pressure on the controls.
3. It's not clear in the drawing but if the short push-pull rod on the inboard bellcrank is connected to the inboard aileron then that takes care of the aileron movement for that aileron while the longer push-pull rod transfers the same movements to the outboard aileron. Therefore both move in unison. Is that correct?
Any help would be appreciated as it's very confusing at the moment.
tankerguy72
SOH-CM-2023
Dont know if you got the pic from here but heres a link
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=541735
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=541735
Thanks for that, the document I have just has the maintenance manual plates/diagrams but not the accompanying blurb. I saved those images and will try to decipher them tomorrow.
I would suppose that the inboard aileron is configured so that it has a smaller movement in respect to the outboard aileron.
The reason for that might be the sheer size of the inboard aileron surface. This thing is almost like a flap. I guess this is also the reason for the trim- and the suspected anti-servo tabs to be located here.
Just my thoughts, I'm not an aircraft designer!
Cheers,
Mark
The reason for that might be the sheer size of the inboard aileron surface. This thing is almost like a flap. I guess this is also the reason for the trim- and the suspected anti-servo tabs to be located here.
Just my thoughts, I'm not an aircraft designer!
Cheers,
Mark