CFS3 VTOL / STOL aircrafts?
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sixstrings5859
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There's the flettner found in the warbirds section so it's doable .
FOO FIGHTER
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As I understand it, hover cannot be achieved due to the limitation of CFS3's physics. Near hover can be simulated through the combination of flap settings and engine tweaking in the flight model. I have experimented with this in the Dragonfly model here: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links_search.php
It is not perfect by any means but is as close as I could get to a real helo at the time. The wingmen don't like it and will crash immediately. More experimenting by someone with a different approach or more knowledge of CFS3 physics could produce better results.
It is not perfect by any means but is as close as I could get to a real helo at the time. The wingmen don't like it and will crash immediately. More experimenting by someone with a different approach or more knowledge of CFS3 physics could produce better results.
BorekS
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thanks guys,
Ive tried Flettner and Dragonly... sweet stuff, still bit hard to keep it flying using a keyboard controll
ok, so I think I would try just to make something focused on the animated parts rather (disc blades tagged as flaps, spoilers etc, rotating) and keep it flying just like a standard airplane.
this is the model inspiration I would try to create for the CFS3 testing (a small single seater BMW Flugelrad V-1):
Ive tried Flettner and Dragonly... sweet stuff, still bit hard to keep it flying using a keyboard controll
ok, so I think I would try just to make something focused on the animated parts rather (disc blades tagged as flaps, spoilers etc, rotating) and keep it flying just like a standard airplane.
this is the model inspiration I would try to create for the CFS3 testing (a small single seater BMW Flugelrad V-1):
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Pat Pattle
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Wow you work fast! That's a crazy looking aircraft!
Just thinking out aloud....helicoptors work in fs9 and the flight model files are very similar to cfs3 - those for fixed wing aircraft work fine. Has anyone tried porting over the fs9 .air and .cfg files to see if they work?
Just thinking out aloud....helicoptors work in fs9 and the flight model files are very similar to cfs3 - those for fixed wing aircraft work fine. Has anyone tried porting over the fs9 .air and .cfg files to see if they work?
FOO FIGHTER
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Affirmative, Clive. I did alot of experimenting with the FS9 & FSX Dragonfly flight models but the physics just doesn't seem to be there in CFS3 to make helo flight happen to any accurate degree.
@BorekS - That WAS fast! An impressive looking model to boot!
@BorekS - That WAS fast! An impressive looking model to boot!
Pat Pattle
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I thought you must have been down that route Barry, that's a pity. I do like that Dragonfly!
BorekS
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ok, if there would be interest, I would texture the thingy, add some animation tags, and release it for testing. still this flying circle would use standard flight dynamics as base.
btw, if that thingy would be able to fly, wondering how much fuel it could fit into the small body
ah, two rocket loadout and some guns might be handy aswell...
btw, if that thingy would be able to fly, wondering how much fuel it could fit into the small body
ah, two rocket loadout and some guns might be handy aswell...
FOO FIGHTER
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@BorekS - Yes, please continue! Any new models are always welcome. This would be a great addition to the Luftwaffe '46 arena.
@Pat Pattle - I've made some minor (non-Gmax) improvements since my first upload, but I don't think there is very much interest in it. Especially without proper rotor animation.
@Pat Pattle - I've made some minor (non-Gmax) improvements since my first upload, but I don't think there is very much interest in it. Especially without proper rotor animation.
BorekS
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really glad there is a few people who likes such german ufo like concept
the Flügelrad project (if it isnt a pure fake) was supposed to be a conventional aircraft concept (a mixture of jet and propeller technology), sot it may be taken seriously a bit. not so like the Haunebu antigravity powered objects
btw did you know the Haunebu flying saucer was my first CFS3 project? the model you can see here and here.
the Flügelrad project (if it isnt a pure fake) was supposed to be a conventional aircraft concept (a mixture of jet and propeller technology), sot it may be taken seriously a bit. not so like the Haunebu antigravity powered objects
btw did you know the Haunebu flying saucer was my first CFS3 project? the model you can see here and here.
Pat Pattle
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I don't think that it was a fake, according to this site there was an eye witness who saw one of the versions take a short flight:
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/BMW%20Flugelrad.htm
Do you still have the gmax for that one? Perhaps another great 'what if?' for CFS3 if you do!
Barry:
I seem to remember us having the Gmax source for this at one time, any recollections? It's probably long gone if I did though.
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/BMW%20Flugelrad.htm
Do you still have the gmax for that one? Perhaps another great 'what if?' for CFS3 if you do!
Barry:
I seem to remember us having the Gmax source for this at one time, any recollections? It's probably long gone if I did though.
BorekS
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yum, a very nice article, thanks for the link
I have the old Haunebu II sources, but it would be better to make it newly, I suppose.
the old model originaly was made with FSDS, later converted into gmax and also used for the already mentioned small selfmade game project builded with 3D Rad (never finished).
you can see a small videfootage and download the game sample here.
still I would rather focus on the Flugelrad series and the Schriever type. they just looks more believable to me
I have the old Haunebu II sources, but it would be better to make it newly, I suppose.
the old model originaly was made with FSDS, later converted into gmax and also used for the already mentioned small selfmade game project builded with 3D Rad (never finished).
you can see a small videfootage and download the game sample here.
still I would rather focus on the Flugelrad series and the Schriever type. they just looks more believable to me
FOO FIGHTER
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@Pat Pattle - I still have it Clive, just haven't set down to learn enough GMAX yet to fix anything.
@BorekS - By Shriever Type do you mean this?
@BorekS - By Shriever Type do you mean this?
BorekS
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@FOO FIGHTER: ja, das Flugkreisel...
btw, here is how looks all the Flugelrad aircrafts (scale models / drawings):
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/frad1/frad1.htm
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/frad2-v1/frad2-v1.htm
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/frad2-v2/frad2-v2.htm
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/frad2-v3/frad2-v3.htm
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/frad3/frad3.htm
btw, here is how looks all the Flugelrad aircrafts (scale models / drawings):
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/frad1/frad1.htm
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/frad2-v1/frad2-v1.htm
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/frad2-v2/frad2-v2.htm
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/frad2-v3/frad2-v3.htm
http://www.unicraft.biz/germ/frad3/frad3.htm
BorekS
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did some small progress relating to animations, but not much infact.
the circled wing / rotor system aka autogyro is tagged as propeller and to get the airplane let fly at CFS3 it needs to be set as propeller aircraft aswell - at least it seems to me. it means bye bye my favorite MiG-15 jet flight dynamics (.air and .cfg) ... so Ive used stock P-55A flight settings instead.
the BMW jet engine rear item exhaust "flaps" are set as elevators.
the web sources says the Flugelrad I V-1 gear was fixed - unretractable, even no brakes yet no shock absorbers, but I did it bit animated for the CFS3 solution.
the web sources says the Flugelrad I V-1 was just empty loadout. but Ive added for our CFS3 version optionaly selectable mk.108 gun gondolas and rocket pod loadouts.
actual shots attached.
the circled wing / rotor system aka autogyro is tagged as propeller and to get the airplane let fly at CFS3 it needs to be set as propeller aircraft aswell - at least it seems to me. it means bye bye my favorite MiG-15 jet flight dynamics (.air and .cfg) ... so Ive used stock P-55A flight settings instead.
the BMW jet engine rear item exhaust "flaps" are set as elevators.
the web sources says the Flugelrad I V-1 gear was fixed - unretractable, even no brakes yet no shock absorbers, but I did it bit animated for the CFS3 solution.
the web sources says the Flugelrad I V-1 was just empty loadout. but Ive added for our CFS3 version optionaly selectable mk.108 gun gondolas and rocket pod loadouts.
actual shots attached.
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sixstrings5859
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Awesome work. Very interesting aircraft.