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ChatGPT 4o and weather

Well it sources similar places as we do... Here is a quick summary when i asked it

RAF Units on Malta (1940-1942) - Extended Historical Overview
Airfields & GSL Coordinates:
1. RAF Luqa (N35°51'00", E14°29'00")
- Primary RAF airfield on Malta; heavily bombed, central base for fighters and reconnaissance aircraft.
2. RAF Ta' Qali (N35°53'10", E14°24'45")
- Converted from a civilian racecourse; major Spitfire and Hurricane base from late 1940.
3. RAF Hal Far (N35°49'40", E14°31'45")
- RAF's oldest Malta airfield; used by bombers and fighter squadrons including 185 Sqn.
4. RAF Qrendi (Krendi) (N35°50'00", E14°26'10")
- Auxiliary airstrip developed late 1942; fighter dispersal field.
Squadrons, Codes, Aircraft, and Combat History:
1. No. 261 Squadron RAF - Code: 'AX'
- Dates: Aug 1940 - May 1941
- Aircraft: Gladiator Mk I, Hurricane Mk I
- Key Engagements: Defensive patrols vs. Italian raids; later German Ju 88 and Bf 109 attacks.
- Approx. 700 sorties flown
2. No. 185 Squadron RAF - Code: 'GL'
- Dates: May 1941 - June 1942
- Aircraft: Hurricane Mk I/IIA/IIC
- Notes: Transitioned to fighter-bomber roles, heavy attrition during Axis bombing campaign
- Est. 800+ sorties during 1941-42
3. No. 249 Squadron RAF - Code: 'GN'
- Dates: from May 1942
- Aircraft: Spitfire Mk VC/IX
- Role: Air superiority over Malta; critical in air battles during Operation Harpoon and Operation Pedestal
- Distinguished by multiple aces including George "Screwball" Beurling
4. No. 272 Squadron RAF - Code: 'JJ'
- Dates: From 1941
- Aircraft: Beaufighter
- Role: Coastal strike and night defense; anti-shipping and convoy escort in Central Mediterranean
5. No. 1435 Flight/Squadron - Code: 'S'
- Dates: Formed Dec 1941
- Aircraft: Spitfire Mk V
- Evolution: From defensive detachment to full squadron status in 1942
Axis Attacks on Malta (1940-42):
- Daily raids began in 1940 with Italian SM.79s and CR.42s
- From Jan 1941, Luftwaffe attacks intensified under X. Fliegerkorps
- Notable raids in April 1942 nearly rendered RAF airfields inoperable
- Night attacks often targeted Ta' Qali and Hal Far
Command:
- AVM Hugh Lloyd: AOC Malta, June 1941 - July 1942
- AVM Sir Keith Park: From July 1942; oversaw air defense transformation and Spitfire arrival
Sources:
- rafweb.org
- The Malta Air War (Christopher Shores)
- Operational Records (UK NA AIR files)
- SOH user research and contributions

🛩️ Squadron Deployments & Aircraft​


SquadronDates in MaltaAircraft TypesAirfield(s)
No. 261 SqnAug 1940 – May 1941Gladiator Mk.I; Hurricane Mk.I/IITa’ Qali, Luqa en.wikipedia.org+15en.wikipedia.org+15mikesresearch.com+15en.wikipedia.org+13mikesresearch.com+13ww2db.com+13en.wikipedia.org+4military-history.fandom.com+4en.wikipedia.org+4
No. 185 SqnMay 1941 – Jun 1942Hurricane I, IIA/C; Spitfire Mk V–IXLuqa, Hal Far
No. 249 Sqn? Dates in 1942Spitfire Mk VC/IXTa’ Qali, Luqa
No. 272 SqnFrom 1941BeaufighterTa’ Qali
No. 1435 Flight/SquadronFrom Dec 1941Spitfire VLuqa
Malta Night Fighter UnitJul–Aug 1941Hurricane Mk IITa’ Qali
 

✈️ RAF Units on Malta 1940–1942​


✅ No. 261 Squadron RAF​




✅ No. 185 Squadron RAF​




✅ No. 249 Squadron RAF​




✅ No. 272 Squadron RAF​




✅ No. 1435 Flight (~Squadron)​




📍 RAF Airfields & Roles​




🏅 AHQ Malta Commanders​


  • AVM Hugh Lloyd (1 Jun 1941 – 14 Jul 1942)
  • AVM Sir Keith Park (15 Jul 1942 – March 1944)
 
For all such question, it can only get available public information the same way we do. One also has to be precise in the type of ?s you ask it; it's only logic based so GIGO applies. You also have to learn how to use it, like I am doing for jet stream weather,
 
Some day when we're dead and gone, we can rest in peace knowing that ChatGPT will carry on providing helpful answers as to how to do all the tricky things we've discovered about CFS3 as it pretends to be all knowing without the help of we mere mortals...

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I think you completely misunderstand what AI like Chat GPT does. I have already said what it can and can't do, and at for different versions of it. WRT general ?s or those specific to CFS3, it can only source what's generally available online of what some PERSON has fed it. However it does make finding info in only seconds, as opposed to minutes or hours, and can collate it. Then WRT to its ability to help with making mission, spawn, weather files, etc., one has top TEACH it also, before it can do completely correctly formatted files; remember, it can't PLAY CFS3 or any executable file. So I have Middlebrook's book on both the Hamburg and Nuremberg raids; something it does not have access to unless the books are scanned to it, but it can cut down considerably the time involved in making missions, weather, spawns, etc. Right now I am discussing with it the use of jet-stream weather WRT Nuremberg. Some of our conversation

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So let's go back to wind speed and especially the effect of the jet winds which people didn't know much about. What information do you have about that effect during World War II and in particular some of the Nuremberg missions, if not others?

ChatGPT said:​

Great question — and a crucial one for Bomber Command missions, particularly the disastrous Nuremberg raid of 30–31 March 1944, where the jet stream and high-altitude winds had a profound, though poorly understood, effect.

🌬️ Jet Stream and Wind Effects in WWII​

🔹 What was known then:​

  • Jet streams — narrow bands of strong wind in the upper atmosphere — were largely unknown or not fully understood by Allied or Axis meteorologists in early 1944.
  • Crews reported strong tailwinds or headwinds, but these were inconsistently predicted or accounted for in navigation.
  • RAF Bomber Command used winds aloft forecasts from the Met Office, but jet stream altitudes (~30,000 ft) were rarely reached or considered by the Lancaster or Halifax fleet, which typically bombed at ~18,000–22,000 ft.

🔹 When it started to matter:​

  • In winter/spring 1944, some missions encountered very strong winds from the west at 25,000 ft and above, possibly the edge of the North Atlantic polar jet stream.
  • The German jet stream discovery was slightly ahead — their high-altitude recon and balloon data recognized consistent west-to-east flows, which helped nightfighter command forecast bomber approach routes.

📌 Case Study: Nuremberg Raid (30–31 March 1944)​

📉 Historical Impact:​

  • One of the costliest missions for RAF Bomber Command: 95 aircraft lost, 545 aircrew killed.
  • Strong headwinds (estimates of 100+ mph at 20,000 ft) slowed the bomber stream.
  • Bombers were badly spread out, arriving late over defenses — making them easy targets for Nachtjagd.
  • Wind drift and forecast error meant many crews bombed the wrong city (some over Schweinfurt, others near Würzburg).
  • Navigation and ETA predictions were badly skewed.

✈ Mission Performance Factors:​

FactorEffect
Headwind of ~100 mphSlowed stream, disrupted cohesion
Delayed ETAFighters were in position ahead of time
Forecast mismatchCrews expected lighter winds
No onboard drift calcNavigators had to correct manually
Ground Speed (GAS) dropMeant longer exposure over hostile zones

🔍 Modern Insights:​

  • Meteorologists now attribute the disaster to strong westerly jet stream winds.
  • These were unaccounted for in pre-mission planning.
  • Wind speeds were estimated postwar from flight logs and radar.

🧭 Navigation Lessons:​

  • WWII-era navigators used drift sights, star shots, and radar returns (H2S) — none perfect.
  • Drift angle was often estimated by visual means or via dead reckoning.
  • GAS was hard to determine precisely; many crews underestimated wind effects.
Would you like:
  • A table of wind speeds from Met Office forecasts for specific 1943–44 missions?
  • Mission logs or ORB excerpts from 100 Sqn or other units?
  • A visual diagram showing how jet stream drift pushed bombers off track?

You said:​

I will be working on the Nuremburg missions in due course, but am interested in our ability to make weather files incorporating the Jetstream, not only what the Met Office actually knew about that, but what effects we have discovered through the actual missions. Is that sort of possible?

ChatGPT said:​


Updated saved memory
Yes, James — it is possible to simulate some aspects of jet stream effects in CFS3, even though the sim doesn't directly model upper-atmosphere wind layers dynamically. Here’s how we can approach it:

1. Mission Historical Context​

The Nuremberg raid of 30–31 March 1944 was notably affected by an unexpected strong jet stream (~100–150 mph from the NW). It:
  • Blew bombers off course.
  • Delayed timing, ruining coordinated diversions.
  • Exposed formations to heavy flak and night fighter interception.

2. What the Met Office Knew​

  • In 1944, the jet stream wasn’t fully understood, though high-altitude winds were observed.
  • Pilots and navigators noticed groundspeed discrepancies.
  • Reports like “unexpected headwinds aloft” were common, but not well integrated into forecasts.

3. Simulating Jetstream in CFS3 Weather Files​

While CFS3 weather files don’t support layered wind simulation, we can emulate jetstream effects by:

🔧 Editing Wind Speed in .xml Weather Files​

  • Use higher wind speeds (e.g., 90–130 knots) from NW or WNW.
  • Combine with thicker cloud layers to simulate visual disorientation.
  • Offset wind direction to subtly nudge aircraft off-track over long distances.

🧠 Enhancing Mission Design​

  • Plan bomber routing that compensates for drift (as was tried in real life).
  • Simulate early or late arrivals by adjusting waypoint ETAs in MB.
  • Test how AI bombers or NJ fighters behave under these conditions.

​

 
I have a decent understanding of what it is, and what it's doing. I was satirizing about how it's being marketed to the masses by "big tech", and the impression of legitimate authority that the interface leaves the average user. It currently has an AI provider bias in the starting answer that takes some level of user knowledge to recognize and overcome with follow-up dialog that can steer it closer to the truth.

For example, I asked Gemini this week about the "Current status of the One Big Beautiful Bill in the Senate". It's first answer was that there was no such thing as the One Big Beautiful Bill, and that it needed me to provide a proper bill number to reference any legislative status. (Passive-Aggressive deflection) I simply replied that "Everybody knows what the One Big Beautiful Bill is". The second response was a two page rendition of every detail of its content and the history of how it has moved through Congress including its current status in the Senate.
 
My ChatGPT reply to "What is turrent status of the 'One Big Beautiful Bill' in the Senate?" typo mine in the ?


Here’s the current status of the “One Big Beautiful Bill” (H.R. 1) in the U.S. Senate:

🏛️ Legislative Timeline & Senate Review​

🧩 Key Senate Amendments & Points of Contention​

  1. Savings vs Spending Adjustments
    • The Senate version omits several House provisions, including certain Pell Grant restrictions, resulting in slightly less fiscal savings (about $300B vs $350B) washingtonpost.cominsidehighered.com.
  2. Judicial Limitation Measures
    • Senate Judiciary chair Chuck Grassley added a provision requiring plaintiffs to post a bond before judges can issue injunctions against federal policies—seen as protecting executive actions thedailybeast.com+7reuters.com+7congress.gov+7.
  3. Medicaid and SNAP Rule Changes
  4. Debt Ceiling Mismatch

🗓️ Next Steps & Timeline​

  • Amendments in play: Republicans are working within budget reconciliation rules to pass the bill with a simple majority, avoiding a filibuster congress.gov+2reuters.com+2en.wikipedia.org+2.
  • Senate vote outlook: A Senate vote is likely before July 4, but hinges on resolving demands around budget cuts, debt ceiling, and judiciary provisions .

🧠 In Summary​

  • The bill has moved to the Senate, passed under budget reconciliation rules, and Senate Republicans are actively reshaping several key provisions.
  • Contested elements include judicial limitations, benefit eligibility criteria, student aid, and a potentially insufficient debt ceiling increase.
  • A final Senate vote is expected in the next few weeks—likely before July 4.
 
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