Christopher Columbus Day!

[stiz]

ok you guys have me totaly confused now .. is it thanks giveing, columbus day, paid day off, native american day ... or is it just monday??

and you folks call us crazy! :isadizzy: :ernae:

 

[Tako_Kichi]

I guess it depends where you live...lol. Up here in Canukistan it's Thanksgiving Day, although there was no turkey for us....we had a ham joint instead.

 

[AckAck]

For me it's Monday, but then again, I'm not hankering for Bob Evans.

Were there no diseases that the Native Americans carried that the evil invaders had no immunity to? You always hear it one way, but never the other. Or, were the natives just so clean living that they just didn't have diseases?

Brian

 

[PRB]

I took an anthropology class once. In that class I learned that I’m not supposed to “measure” another culture by the same “yard stick” I use to measure my own. Mostly the reason for this is, not being a part of that culture, I can’t possibly know what it’s like to live in it, and therefore I am not qualified to judge it. There is some wisdom in that attitude, but many people seem to apply this “Prime Directive” a bit “selectively.” For example, I’m betting that most of the people for whom Columbus has fallen “out of favor” in the past twenty years or so are also advocates of this “thou shalt not judge another culture” rule of anthropology. Columbus’s voyage of discovery took place at the end of the “Dark Ages”, 500 years ago. Things were very different then, right? It was a different time, a different place, and a very different culture. It seems, after all, that some cultures can be judged quite harshly indeed, while others are “off limits” entirely…

 

[rayrey10]

Woof woof...I'm freaking hungry for Bob Evan Biscuits and Gray!

OBIO

If I lived near you I'd take you and your missus out for biscuits and gravy. Good post

 

[cheezyflier]

I guess it depends where you live...lol. Up here in Canukistan it's Thanksgiving Day, although there was no turkey for us....we had a ham joint instead.

so did we! my wife insisted on it. to me it seemed as bass ackwards as can be. however, i have been given a fair measure of skill in the kitchen, so it was all good anyhow.

If I lived near you I'd take you and your missus out for biscuits and gravy. Good post

biscuits and gravy are way too easy to make at home to be doing without.

 

[jkcook28]

I took an anthropology class once. In that class I learned that I’m not supposed to “measure” another culture by the same “yard stick” I use to measure my own. Mostly the reason for this is, not being a part of that culture, I can’t possibly know what it’s like to live in it, and therefore I am not qualified to judge it. There is some wisdom in that attitude, but many people seem to apply this “Prime Directive” a bit “selectively.” For example, I’m betting that most of the people for whom Columbus has fallen “out of favor” in the past twenty years or so are also advocates of this “thou shalt not judge another culture” rule of anthropology. Columbus’s voyage of discovery took place at the end of the “Dark Ages”, 500 years ago. Things were very different then, right? It was a different time, a different place, and a very different culture. It seems, after all, that some cultures can be judged quite harshly indeed, while others are “off limits” entirely…

Good post Paul. The different Indian tribes slaughtered each other on a grandios scale themselves.
I guess the "white man" came with a bigger stick. Survival of the fittest baby...

 

[djscoo]

*The negative attitudes expressed towards Native-Americans in this thread do not necessarily reflect the views of United States or its people as a whole.

 

[jmig]

*The negative attitudes expressed towards Native-Americans in this thread do not necessarily reflect the views of United States or its people as a whole.

Technically, the term "Native American" is inaccurate. As was stated at the beginning of this thread all human cultures came here from elsewhere. The Amercian Indian/Native American merely arrived here before the Europeans. I have always thought the Canadian "First Nations" term was a much better descriptive phase.

In attempting to make both cultures into something they weren't the proponents of the American Indians, in my opinion, are doing a disservice to their cause. The average person only has to visit a few culture centers depicting the life styles of the varies Tribes through the US to learn that they were much like the rest of us.

Some were war like raiders and some more peaceful. There was one tribe locally which at one time practiced canabalism. It was their lack of numbers and living space available, not advanced culture that kept most of them from killing off each other. Where tribes butted up to each other and competed for resources they could be just as merciless as the Europeans.

What happened to their culture was indeed tragic. However, it was bound to happen. You had two cultures, both looking to survive and live in the way their cultures taught them to live. One culture had greater numbers and better weapons.

Trying to now demonize one culture and mythologize the other is a disservice to both cultures fosters an incorrect view of history.

 

[Moparmike]

And before things get out of hand, it's time to put this one to bed.

Monday, October 12 2009 has come and gone, and so has Columbus Day, Native American Day, Thanksgiving Day (for the Canadians here), Our Lady of Aperacida Day, Friendship Day, Susan Anton's birthday, the anniversary of the bombing of the USS Cole, Robert E. Lee's or Willy Shoemaker's death anniversary, etc...

But the biggest thing on this date was the 30th anniversary of the publishing of Douglas Adam's "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy". :d

 

[OBIO]

But the biggest thing on this date was the 30th anniversary of the publishing of Douglas Adam's "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy". :d

Now THAT is a holiday I could and would celebrate. The most amazing 5 book Trilogy ever written! Have read the trilogy several times, never did master the art of flying but I have mastered the art of sandwich making. The movie......total dud.

OBIO

 

[Snuffy]

Well, if you want to go far enough back, humans aren't indigenous to anywhere but Africa. ...

I'm gonna have to disagree with you Jmig ... and ask for you to find something to verify that statement with.

As anyone who is a believer will tell you, mankind started and is indigenous to the southwestern part of Turkey or the northeastern part of Iraq. Or at least close to that area of the middle east/asia demographics.

 

[djscoo]

I wholeheartedly disagree with the argument of "it was bound to happen". It was a product of the mindset during that time period. American Indians weren't all peaceful, timid beings, but they also weren't bloodthirsty savages. If anyone were to be accurately portrayed as savages, I suggest reading up on the likes of Lord Amherst, responsible for giving blankets intentionally infected with smallpox as a "peace offering". Or Andrew Jackson, the president who initiated the "Indian Removal Act". The difference between the savageries committed by Europeans, and those committed by natives is that the Native Americans were defending their lifelong home.

 

[Moparmike]

Let me repeat myself...sheesh!

And before things get out of hand, it's time to put this one to bed.