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'Civil War Photos'

well, i don't know if the no politics rule applies if the politics are 150 yrs old, if it does then feel free to delete this reply.
but it blows me away that:

A) people still think the civil war was about abolition

B) people think that lincoln was assasinated for supporting abolition or even for preventing the confederacy from secession.

both are the product of revisionist history.
 
cheezyflier said:
well, i don't know if the no politics rule applies if the politics are 150 yrs old, if it does then feel free to delete this reply.
but it blows me away that:

A) people still think the civil war was about abolition

B) people think that lincoln was assasinated for supporting abolition or even for preventing the confederacy from secession.

both are the product of revisionist history.
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Your quality of education really depended on which teacher you had, and whether you possessed any prior knowledge of the subject in my high school. Most of the coaches were history teachers, and their classes were pretty laid back, just class discussions. My junior year, I got one of the coaches as my teacher and was bestowed with many gems of knowledge including: "The United States has the world's largest standing army, Alexander Hamilton and Benjamin Franklin were both former presidents, Scotland is a country, Hitler attacked the US", among others... All of my energy was spent arguing established facts with him, after which he would refer to wikipedia and say "that's not what I was taught in school!".
 
cheezyflier said:
well, i don't know if the no politics rule applies if the politics are 150 yrs old, if it does then feel free to delete this reply.
but it blows me away that:

A) people still think the civil war was about abolition

B) people think that lincoln was assasinated for supporting abolition or even for preventing the confederacy from secession.

both are the product of revisionist history.
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Another Civil War person chiming in. (I have a mine ball I found sitting on m desk right now.) Revisionist history is another one of those things I insist we've always had with us. I have real doubts as to how capable we are as a species of being totally objective about anything. I insist that Civil War revisionism began immediately, as people after a horribly destructive and divisive war gravitated toward narratives they found acceptable to their sensibilities. They also want to think well of their ancestors, who brought the war on, which is another kettle of fish. Shelby Foote's The Civil War: A Narrative - I'll never love Nathan Bedford Forrest the way he did, but that's a great title. A LOT depends on who's telling the story.

Here's a link to a C-SPAN lecture by Carol Reardon about the mythology surrounding Pickett's Charge that hits on some of the points I'm talking about. Go HERE: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/96629-1

Thank you for the photos, Panther, and thank you to the SOH for providing a civil forum. I know no one here will believe it, but some people say I'm knd of opinionated...

[Pause here for your collective astonishment.]

JAMES
 
Eoraptor1 said:
Another Civil War person chiming in. (I have a mine ball I found sitting on m desk right now.) Revisionist history is another one of those things I insist we've always had with us. I have real doubts as to how capable we are as a species of being totally objective about anything. I insist that Civil War revisionism began immediately
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i totally agree, and your point was nicely underscored by the video. well done :wavey:
 
Eoraptor1 said:
Another .. I have real doubts as to how capable we are as a species of being totally objective about anything. I insist that Civil War revisionism began immediately, as people after a horribly destructive and divisive war gravitated toward narratives they found acceptable to their sensibilities. They also want to think well of their ancestors, who brought the war on, which is another kettle of fish. ...

JAMES
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Isn't that part of what the phrase, "The victor writes the history" means.
 
jmig said:
Isn't that part of what the phrase, "The victor writes the history" means.
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That's definitely part of it, but not all. I live in Western New York, but my mother's side of the family is from South Carolina, and I guarantee you get a different point of view of the Civil War there than you do in WNY. You'll hear terms for the war like "The War for Southern Independence" or "The War of Northern Aggression". If I'm not mistaken, the official US government term is "War of the Rebellion". That's victor's language. (Historian Barbara Fields famously asks the question: Who Won the Civil War? Lots of people lost, but who won? You also see Denzel Wahington's character in Glory say to his Colonel "Ain't nobody gonna win this.") Some people will say facts are facts, and history is what it is. I have respect for this view, but what it neglects IMO is the role in human affairs of what people are willing to accept as being factual. IMO people tend to gravitate to the version of events they find acceptable. I don't mean this as pejorative, or the sole domain of any one group, but I do note it. Furthermore, if you are in the wrong company insisting upon the "wrong" narrative, you're more than likely to face social sanction; no more reindeer games, or an a-- whipping delivered on swift wings. This is what I meant in one of my earlier postings when I said PC was nothing new. People only perceive it as PC when they feel that someone is imposing an "alien" narrative on them.

...and now I'm talking like a Cylon and better go.

JAMES
 
i was kinda with ya until you said 'pejorative'....only a Cylon or Ken would say that:icon_lol:
 
redriver6 said:
i was kinda with ya until you said 'pejorative'....only a Cylon or Ken would say that:icon_lol:
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"I'm a machine, and I could know much more..."

BTW: The dragon in the 1981 movie, Dragonslayer, was named Vermithrax Pejorative. "The Wyrm of Thrace who makes things worse". I think it was shot on location in North Wales. I remember being very impressed by the dragon as a yoot, and I think it still holds up very well.

JAMES
 
yup i remember that one....
(how did this get into a 'Civil War Photos' thread??)
 
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