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Concealed Carry Weapons permit process.....

With regard to the State of Florida and it's agencies. . . I had occasion about three years ago to deal with the DMV, by phone call, from the State of Maryland. I required certain information and a letter from them and I got all that I asked for within three days and from an efficient and cheerful employee.

I was so shocked, I sent a letter of praise and congratulations to the Administrator of their DMV. . . AND GOT A VERY NICE REPLY !! Somebody's on the ball in Florida concerning citizen service.

RE: concealed carry permit, here in the Peoples Republic of Maryland they make it as hard as possible and as inconvienient as they can - and I'm a former LAPD Sgt ! Means nothing to them as one of their most fervent desires is to wipe away the 2nd Amendment.

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@wombat, my original intention is not to offend by far. I get pretty passionate about some issues, so I apologize. I did leave politics out of it. However you would not believe some of the things that go on in America that make me believe this is possible.. Not to mention it does have precedent that goes before it.

On a seperate note I am glad to see everyone else has had positive experiences in Florida. Makes me glad it is my new home of record, and an area I will return back to to live in the future. Virginia does not seem to bad so far. It will just be a matter of seeing how the process goes. It is good to see the number of law abiding conceal carry citizens on here though. Just please be responsible, and know your state laws. I found out a couple days ago VA has open carry, but after learning all of Florida's laws (and open carry is illegal there) it makes me squirm a little to even think about trying it. Granted I did see a guy in the check out in Wal-Mart with a Glock 23 strapped to his jeans.
 
I was a certified NRA firearms instructor for a while, and am retired from 23 years federal law enforcement service, with frequent contact with firearms. We as retirees have the option to carry concealed as long as it is IAW the laws of our state of residence. There is an effort under way in DC to have some sort of federal law passed that would supersede state laws in this regard and cover us retired feds no matter where we go. That being said - while I do own several firearms, I do not carry concealed and am not planning to do so in the future. Carrying that thing around as part of the job was sort of fun at first, but it got old after you had to figure out what to do with it when you attended to things in the necessary room (next time you're in a restaurant, and have to visit the head, take a look around in there and tell me what you'd do with the thing while your hands are otherwise occupied); when you traveled on aircraft and had the screener or airline counter help bellow with leather lungs, "I got a LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) here!" - meaning they were calling special handling to get you around the airport, and usually an escort, at least through the checkpoints - along with the security log to fill out in front of everybody, so your anonymity (cover) has now vanished. Let's not forget the nervous airline pilot you have to fence with after you get on the airplane - again, thanks to airline help, not very discretely and before everyone else so all other passengers know who and what you are. The kicker was the niggling fear in the back of your mind that even if you were involved in a righteous shoot, if there was any doubt of any kind about what you had done, you'd be thrown to the wolves by your supervision and the U.S. Attorney - not to mention having the daylights sued out of you by the perp or his/her family. All of this was while I was "on the job" - imagine what a pain in the duff it would be as a retiree without at least the modicum of protection a badge gives you. The biggest reason, however, is I don't want to be involved in something like what just went down in NY state, where an armed off-duty ATF agent, going to the drug store to pick up his dad's BP medication, confronted an armed robber in the store; somehow, during this confrontation, two other retired police officers or federal agents showed up and, thinking the ATF agent was the bad guy, were reported to have shot him dead by mistake. The perp was also killed but there's not a lot being said about how. I wouldn't want that on my conscience. Best advice is to avoid those places where you may have to use a firearm (the drug store thing was a fluke, although robberies in drug stores are on the rise, the pharmacy is a prime target for obvious reasons); always keep an eye open for the quickest exit, wherever you are; and take a position where you can observe safely, note every detail and provide it to responding LE when they arrive. Not looking or dressing like a retired cop helps, too. 23 years and a stress-related, near-fatal heart attack/stent was ENOUGH!:salute:
 
I was a certified NRA firearms instructor for a while, and am retired from 23 years federal law enforcement service, with frequent contact with firearms. We as retirees have the option to carry concealed as long as it is IAW the laws of our state of residence. There is an effort under way in DC to have some sort of federal law passed that would supersede state laws in this regard and cover us retired feds no matter where we go. That being said - while I do own several firearms, I do not carry concealed and am not planning to do so in the future. Carrying that thing around as part of the job was sort of fun at first, but it got old after you had to figure out what to do with it when you attended to things in the necessary room (next time you're in a restaurant, and have to visit the head, take a look around in there and tell me what you'd do with the thing while your hands are otherwise occupied); when you traveled on aircraft and had the screener or airline counter help bellow with leather lungs, "I got a LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) here!" - meaning they were calling special handling to get you around the airport, and usually an escort, at least through the checkpoints - along with the security log to fill out in front of everybody, so your anonymity (cover) has now vanished. Let's not forget the nervous airline pilot you have to fence with after you get on the airplane - again, thanks to airline help, not very discretely and before everyone else so all other passengers know who and what you are. The kicker was the niggling fear in the back of your mind that even if you were involved in a righteous shoot, if there was any doubt of any kind about what you had done, you'd be thrown to the wolves by your supervision and the U.S. Attorney - not to mention having the daylights sued out of you by the perp or his/her family. All of this was while I was "on the job" - imagine what a pain in the duff it would be as a retiree without at least the modicum of protection a badge gives you. The biggest reason, however, is I don't want to be involved in something like what just went down in NY state, where an armed off-duty ATF agent, going to the drug store to pick up his dad's BP medication, confronted an armed robber in the store; somehow, during this confrontation, two other retired police officers or federal agents showed up and, thinking the ATF agent was the bad guy, were reported to have shot him dead by mistake. The perp was also killed but there's not a lot being said about how. I wouldn't want that on my conscience. Best advice is to avoid those places where you may have to use a firearm (the drug store thing was a fluke, although robberies in drug stores are on the rise, the pharmacy is a prime target for obvious reasons); always keep an eye open for the quickest exit, wherever you are; and take a position where you can observe safely, note every detail and provide it to responding LE when they arrive. Not looking or dressing like a retired cop helps, too. 23 years and a stress-related, near-fatal heart attack/stent was ENOUGH!:salute:

And, I agree with my brother here. I too am retired after 22 years on the street and no longer carry, even though Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act signed by former President Bush in December 2004 authorizes us both to do so, IF, IF, we qualify each and every year with the exact weapon by serial number that we carry concealed. In Florida, I can present my military ID and the money and not have to qualify with any exact weapon I want to carry every year. If I present my retired LEO card, they will want me to fall under LEOSA2004. No thanks. In NJ, the ONLY way I can carry is with my CURRENT firearms qualification card and retired LEO credentials. If the qualification card is even a day over 12 months old, I would be arrested for carrying concealed illegally in NJ=a felony. Professional courtesy? Don't even think about it. No, I do carry concealed sometimes, but only when traveling across country in a POV. The ONLY time it would ever come out is if my life or a member of my family is in immediate danger. Sorry people, when I retired from the street, I stopped protecting you all from bad guys, present work related assignments not-with-standing.

Armed robber in the supermarket? I will watch, take mental notes of the description to relay to the LEO that respond, but S&W is staying hidden and only ready to defend me, IF I even have them with me. AND, when LEO on duty do show up, they don't need to know S&W is there. Not their concern, not a threat to them. I am too old to do something heroic now that is none of my business.
 
And, I agree with my brother here. I too am retired after 22 years on the street and no longer carry, even though Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act signed by former President Bush in December 2004 authorizes us both to do so, IF, IF, we qualify each and every year with the exact weapon by serial number that we carry concealed. In Florida, I can present my military ID and the money and not have to qualify with any exact weapon I want to carry every year. If I present my retired LEO card, they will want me to fall under LEOSA2004. No thanks. In NJ, the ONLY way I can carry is with my CURRENT firearms qualification card and retired LEO credentials. If the qualification card is even a day over 12 months old, I would be arrested for carrying concealed illegally in NJ=a felony. Professional courtesy? Don't even think about it. No, I do carry concealed sometimes, but only when traveling across country in a POV. The ONLY time it would ever come out is if my life or a member of my family is in immediate danger. Sorry people, when I retired from the street, I stopped protecting you all from bad guys, present work related assignments not-with-standing.

Armed robber in the supermarket? I will watch, take mental notes of the description to relay to the LEO that respond, but S&W is staying hidden and only ready to defend me, IF I even have them with me. AND, when LEO on duty do show up, they don't need to know S&W is there. Not their concern, not a threat to them. I am too old to do something heroic now that is none of my business.

Devildog: My biggest kick is the way some retired guys make it easy for a perp to spot them in a crowd, like they had a beacon flashing over them - that's the logo shirt - what we used to call the "shoot me" shirt, usually a Polo shirt, the one that has your agency's logo on it. If you're wearing one of those you'd better be armed, because if you're not, you're dead - and so, BTW, is someone who could be standing near you, uninvolved. Save it for the retirees' group golf outing. Professional courtesy???? Most active-duty street coppers will look on an armed retiree as a guy who just doesn't know it's over, a retired "wanna-be." Good point about the interstate and firearms - that's the only spot where my prohibition on carrying is removed, as it's the last vestige of the Wild West left in America. My ROEs are the same as yours. Think about it - you're isolated, most people avoid a confrontation anyway, even to help, and if you're whizzing by at 70+ it's easy to keep going and not get involved. If you're the bad guy the means of escape is within 20 feet, idling, and ready to go. There is NO LAW on the interstate except the State Police, if you can find them, and Good Samaritans are even scarcer than that.

And, with apologies to the RAF, their motto, which I admire and applies so well to my own life's experiences:

Per Ardua Ad Astra:salute:
 
Devildog: My biggest kick is the way some retired guys make it easy for a perp to spot them in a crowd, like they had a beacon flashing over them - that's the logo shirt - what we used to call the "shoot me" shirt, usually a Polo shirt, the one that has your agency's logo on it. If you're wearing one of those you'd better be armed, because if you're not, you're dead - and so, BTW, is someone who could be standing near you, uninvolved. Save it for the retirees' group golf outing. Professional courtesy???? Most active-duty street coppers will look on an armed retiree as a guy who just doesn't know it's over, a retired "wanna-be." Good point about the interstate and firearms - that's the only spot where my prohibition on carrying is removed, as it's the last vestige of the Wild West left in America. My ROEs are the same as yours. Think about it - you're isolated, most people avoid a confrontation anyway, even to help, and if you're whizzing by at 70+ it's easy to keep going and not get involved. If you're the bad guy the means of escape is within 20 feet, idling, and ready to go. There is NO LAW on the interstate except the State Police, if you can find them, and Good Samaritans are even scarcer than that.

And, with apologies to the RAF, their motto, which I admire and applies so well to my own life's experiences:

Per Ardua Ad Astra:salute:

LOL, the ONLY thing I have that would ID me as a retired LEO is my ID card tucked AWAY in my wallet. It is not visible unless and until I pull it out of the pocket in which it is hiding. The last time I did that, in Emporia, VA, the patrolman said he did not know what the term professional courtesy meant. Cost me $125.00 for going 7MPH over the posted speed limit in the less than 1 mile of I-95 within his town limits. I was the ONLY non-VA plate in the string of cars. I don't have a cap, T-shirt, Polo shirt or any other item of clothing left over from my 22 years on the street. Heck, I don't even look the same! I had dark hair with grey sides when I retired from LEO. Now, I have a little bit of grey hair. I was fairly thin-medium build and muscular, now, not so much. I might be just a bit bigger than then........just a bit, and I really don't think it would be considered muscular. However, and this might be the most important thing, I still shoot, and I still shoot well, as good as ever. I cannot remember the last time I shot timed under 98% on the range no matter what weapon I am shooting. I just happen to enjoy putting rounds down range, so I qualify at least once every 18-24 months on an official military or police range. And again, I seldom carry. Concealed or otherwise.
 
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