Craig and Matts F4 Pantom Project
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bully707
Charter Member 2015
Oh yes...PLEASE bring it on...!
Now that the Rhino has been extinct in Germany...that would be Phabulous, Phantastic, Phenomenal...I have been longing to phly a FSX naitive Phantom phor soooo long! The Virtavia FS9 Version is nice...but a native one would be even better!
Bjoern
worst developer ever
Why don't you guys join forces with Alexis from Project Airbus?
He's working on a so far very good looking F-4B/C and I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't say no to someone willing to help out here and there.
You guys could paint something or do other versions of the Rhino or...
http://talk.pafs.wf/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2598
He's working on a so far very good looking F-4B/C and I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't say no to someone willing to help out here and there.
You guys could paint something or do other versions of the Rhino or...
http://talk.pafs.wf/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2598
Thanks for suggestion.
I was aware of that F4 project and others. it looks good. The great thing about doing your own is that you can do it exactly how you would like it done... So whilst I'm looking forward to the others our one is the most exciting prospect to me...naturally so I guess
Matt
I was aware of that F4 project and others. it looks good. The great thing about doing your own is that you can do it exactly how you would like it done... So whilst I'm looking forward to the others our one is the most exciting prospect to me...naturally so I guess
Matt
Bjoern
worst developer ever
Of course, but with freeware developers being few and far between, a double take at the same thing is a bit of a waste from an outsider's point of view.
Consider me looking forward to your model though. Can't have too many Phantoms.
FentiFlier1
Charter Member
The model looks very nice indeed, but to be honest I am surprised to see a new Phantom project as that plane isn't exactly a "rare bird".
I realise and accept that FS works this way, with multiple takes on the big classics overshadowing lesser known aircraft; but I admit I would have been more excited at something a bit different (F-101 Voodoo?).
Still, good to see Rara Avis are off to a dynamic start! :salute:
Owen.
I realise and accept that FS works this way, with multiple takes on the big classics overshadowing lesser known aircraft; but I admit I would have been more excited at something a bit different (F-101 Voodoo?).
Still, good to see Rara Avis are off to a dynamic start! :salute:
Owen.
Could you please give us a list of all the other FSX native Phantoms and where to find them?
Dave
vora
Charter Member
I think he is refering to Phantom projects, of which there are at least 3: Craig&Matt, Alex&Jamal and A2A. The latter one being the most anticipated but also the one farest away. I suspect that A2A's announcement of a Phantom 5 years ago is the reason why we still don't have a native Phantom by now. Looks like other developers now realized that an accusim'ed F-4 is probably still years away (with A2A having C172, PA28 and F-104 in the pipeline ahead).
dhazelgrove
Charter Member
I believe that UKMIL has the British F-4s on its drawing boards somewhere, too.
Probably the Leuchars-based FG.1, at least to start with.
Dave
Probably the Leuchars-based FG.1, at least to start with.
Dave
FentiFlier1
Charter Member
:mixedsmi: Quite right sir, I get your point.
There might be several planned but there is still no native FSX Phantom. And as others have said there is no guarantee there will be - so A2A have left a hole in the market and it is perfectly fair game for other developers to fill it.
One thing's for sure, I wouldn't mind a Phantom but I'll only buy one!
Time for an update....
Its always a big moment when I get to try one of my models in FSX for the first time... especially so when it involves carrier launches and recovery's. This is the first build Craig has sent me and there is obviously a long way still to go. The Pajama suit colours are easier for us to use in the early stages of development... I know they look hideous but never mind. I'm really looking forward to seeing a painted version with Bump and spec maps etc although that's a way down the line. I have done the decal artwork for the first paint though... a VF84 N Phantom. A lot of other progress has been made that is not evident.... Craig has added an awful lot of detail and I've done a few additional things too... I was never quite happy with the shape of the Nose IR probe so I redid that with some references that I didn't have when originally making the mesh. I also found the N introduced a fixed Slat on the leading edge of the elevators so I built and added that. Some of the fantastic detail Craig has added I will show you at a later time.
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Its always a big moment when I get to try one of my models in FSX for the first time... especially so when it involves carrier launches and recovery's. This is the first build Craig has sent me and there is obviously a long way still to go. The Pajama suit colours are easier for us to use in the early stages of development... I know they look hideous but never mind. I'm really looking forward to seeing a painted version with Bump and spec maps etc although that's a way down the line. I have done the decal artwork for the first paint though... a VF84 N Phantom. A lot of other progress has been made that is not evident.... Craig has added an awful lot of detail and I've done a few additional things too... I was never quite happy with the shape of the Nose IR probe so I redid that with some references that I didn't have when originally making the mesh. I also found the N introduced a fixed Slat on the leading edge of the elevators so I built and added that. Some of the fantastic detail Craig has added I will show you at a later time.
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dhazelgrove
Charter Member
Oh, that's nice. Can't wait.
Dave
Dave
[SUB]Matt, can I offer a suggestion with the model?
I know this is very early on, but with most USN F-4s, they often flew with only the centerline fuel tank when operating from the carrier. Granted there were exceptions where the wing tanks were flown (or all 3), but I've found that it was not as common.
The Royal Navy however, was the opposite. It was very regular to see them with the wing tanks.
Looking great and enjoy seeing it advanced toward release.
Thanks!
Jeff[/SUB]
I know this is very early on, but with most USN F-4s, they often flew with only the centerline fuel tank when operating from the carrier. Granted there were exceptions where the wing tanks were flown (or all 3), but I've found that it was not as common.
The Royal Navy however, was the opposite. It was very regular to see them with the wing tanks.
Looking great and enjoy seeing it advanced toward release.
Thanks!
Jeff[/SUB]
I wondered why whenever I look for this thread the search engine never finds it... I spelt Phantom wrong in the title... sorry about that. Is it possible to edit that? I haven't figured out a way yet.
I don't want to get too far off topic but I just wondered what Pantom (I mean Phantom) era carriers are available to use with AI Carriers. The above pictures show the Team SDB Enterprise which is truly excellent but its not really Phantom era. I've got the Oriskany... just wondered if I'd missed any others.
Matt
I don't want to get too far off topic but I just wondered what Pantom (I mean Phantom
) era carriers are available to use with AI Carriers. The above pictures show the Team SDB Enterprise which is truly excellent but its not really Phantom era. I've got the Oriskany... just wondered if I'd missed any others.Matt
skyhawka4m
Charter Member
something about the shape of the nose.......looks too narrow??? Also, I think the sidewinders might be the wrong variant for the B/C model era?? I could be wrong....don't get me wrong guys./.....I love that this F-4 is being done....just trying to help.
1. On Craigs F-4 or the one in your drawing?
2. Furthermore looking at the drooped ailerons I'd say it's not a B, hence the Sidewinders are correct
3. Indeed
Skyhawk...Craig and I have considered a lot of sources as to the look of the F4 and I would say overall we are happy with what we have come up with. I'm amazed at the variations I see in scale drawings and colour profiles for example... Its hard to believe some times its the same subject matter. I thank you for sharing your thoughts Skyhawk but I think we will have to agree to differ on this one. I must admit I will be glad to see the model as a textured version because the multi colour appearance does rather act like disruptive camouflage in breaking up the shape... perhaps that is affecting the way you perceive it? BTW the model is meant to be an -N...we haven't been looking that closely yet as to what would need changing to make it a -B.
Bernt... Looking forward to trying the FDE you've done. I did the Ejection seats this week so I'm just waiting for Craig to put it all together in a new build.
Matt
Bernt... Looking forward to trying the FDE you've done. I did the Ejection seats this week so I'm just waiting for Craig to put it all together in a new build.
Matt