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Crates of Buried, Unassembled Spitfires

TARPSBird, there is actually also another TBD Devastator that has been found off the coast of California in recent years, which I believe was confirmed as a better candidate for recovery and restoration (paint actually still intact), and if a recovery goes forward, it is the one that will be brought up. All of the recoveries made of former US Navy aircraft have to be carried out for the Navy, with the Navy taking possession of them after recovery. However, the Navy cannot pay for the recoveries, so private sponsors have to be found to foot the bill. All of the Lake Michigan recoveries, and that Helldiver recovery not too long ago, were all made possible by individual private sponsors. The only thing actually preventing the recovery is for a sponsorship to come through - will be curious if any recoveries are made this year.
 
All of which goes to show how stupid and overbearing the Navy is when it comes to old airplanes that they otherwise wouldn't give a damn about ..........
 
All of which goes to show how stupid and overbearing the Navy is when it comes to old airplanes that they otherwise wouldn't give a damn about ..........

Amen to that. Who in their right minds,...would spent their own money,...or monies raised through donations,...and one's personal sweat, to have a WWII Navy aircraft lifted from a watery grave ONLY to have the US Naval Dept. claim it as theirs? I wouldn't pitch in a penny for that deal.
 
Does this also apply to aircraft in International waters or within the boundaries of a foreign state? For example, if a warbird was found submerged on the Canadian side of the Great Lakes, would the US Navy lay claim to it?
 
Matt, it only applies to aircraft that were once owned by the U.S. Navy, as despite the fact that they were 'lost' in action or in training accidents, they are still considered Navy property by the U.S. Navy, no matter where they may be. There have been some exceptions over the years. There was an extremely rare Brewster-built F3A Corsair that was found and recovered (from a swamp, if I recall correctly) a number of years ago. When the Navy found out about it, they took it to court, claiming ownership of the aircraft. Amazingly, the guy who recovered it, Lex Cralley, actually won the court battle, though it lasted quite a long time. The aircraft was recently sold a year or two back, and is currently under active rebuild to airworthy condition and will be actively flown when complete. Also, when the brunt of the Lake Michigan recoveries were being done in the early 90's, the Navy gave a few of those aircraft that were recovered, to the company that was repsonsible for bringing the aircraft to the surface, as payment. These were allowed to be sold into the civil market, with a couple of Wildcats becoming airworthy and flown not too long after, and another of those, an SBD Dauntless, is currently under very active restoration to airworthy condition at this time. Also, another one of those Wildcats that were recovered, were traded for another aircraft, thus coming into the civil register, and that project too has now more recently been undergoing restoration to fly.

Speaking of how important it is for private sponsors when it comes to recovering U.S. Navy warbirds, the only reason why that extremely rare Vought F4U-1 'birdcage' Corsair was able to be recovered from Lake Michigan a couple of years back, was because the entire $300,000 bill for the recovery was paid for by Chuck Greenhill, the owner of the P-51D's "Geraldine" and "Lou IV" and a J2F-4 Duck.
 
Hmmmm, if I found one that was not on US soil or within certain border limits, the US Navy could have a look at one of my fingers, lol!
 
I remember reading that part of the outcome of that Brewster Corsair lawsuit was that in exchange for letting the guy keep that Corsair, Congress passed a law stating that Navy aircraft remain Navy property no matter where they are and in what shape. The Air Force doesn't seem to care that much about their old wrecks.

I don't agree with it, but it is what it is.

In the Brewster Corsair case, the Navy had picked what they wanted off of the wreck in the swamp and bulldozed the rest into a hole back in WWII. The guy came along, dug it up and started rebuilding it. The Navy caught wind of it and started trying to claim it. They went to court, public opinion and Congress got involved and the Navy backed off when the deal with Congress was made.
 
Seems that the location of the buried aircraft is now known...and has been for 11 years!!!!


ENCASED in containers for 56 long years they have quietly decayed away, their once shining propellors and wings gathering mould in their underground tomb. Outside the temperature is in the 90s as passenger jets take off in the shimmering heat.


The scene is Mingaladon airport, Myanmar, formerly Burma, and according to farmer and inventor David Cundall hidden 6ft under the airfield are 12 brand new Spitfires, abandoned in 1945 and now worth a cool 6m.


Mr Cundall’s dream is to excavate the crates, restore the Spitfires, and finally see them fly again.


The farmer and inventor first heard stories about the aircraft 20 years ago, but only started researching them in earnest after a friend and former Spitfire pilot met some American veterans who described digging a trench for the aircraft during the Allied withdrawal of Burma.


Through his own work at the public records office at Kew and by placing advertisements in specialist magazines Mr Cundall, who invents farm machinery for a living, has been able to contact seven eyewitnesses, who have confirmed the story.


The aircraft were abandoned on the orders of Louis Mountbatten, the head of South East Asia Command, two weeks before the atomic bombs were dropped in August 1945, ending the Second World War.


Knowing exactly where to dig is the problem when work could undermine the stability of the adjacent international runway.


Another snag is that an Israeli competitor is on the case and has been given permission to make a search


Mr Cundall, 51, who lives in North Lincolnshire, has been out to Burma six times and has worked closely with the military authorities. He said: “We have an agreement with the military that we have our share and they have their share.


“What we really want to do is restore them and have them flying again.”


Mr Cundall – who describes his hobby as “digging up crashed aircraft” – is working with Dr Roger Clark, the head of earth sciences at Leeds University to analyse data from a ground penetrating radar which has been used to survey the 10-acre site. The radar has shown up “boxed shape images” which Mr Cundall believes are the outlines of the containers.


He added: “The story I originally heard was that in August 1945 a group from a construction battalion were passing through Rangoon on the way to Singapore and they were asked to bury 12 planes – they actually questioned the order as it was so unusual.


“When I heard this many years ago Burma was a closed country. I advertised extensively and come up with seven eyewitnesses and 20 who know about the burials.


“Seventy per cent of the area has been searched, and another eyewitness who came along last year is positive he knows where they are and has sent me maps and an outline.


“However, the Burmese say we need more eyewitnesses to exactly pinpoint the place otherwise they’re not going to let us dig. They’re worried about undermining the foundations of the airfield.


“We also have a competitor, an Israeli pilot, who has paid a substantial amount of money to gain the contract to excavate the Spitfires. But his contract expires this month – and with a bit of luck we might be going back out in a week or 10 days.’’


Principal keeper of archaeology at North Lincolnshire Museum Kevin Leahy said the wings and fuselages were made out of thin aluminium and could have crumbled away – but if they were covered in grease and oil, or wax paper ready for a sea transit, they could be all right.


Mr Cundall needs more letters from eyewitnesses spelling out the exact location to convince the military. Anyone who can help is asked to contact him via the Yorkshire Post Hull office at Regent House, Ferensway, Hull, HU1 3PT or by e-mailing alex.wood@ypn.co.uk.


http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...ed_treasures_spitfires_worth_163_6m_1_2411664


Originally published Wednesday 9 May 2001 22:21
 
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