cheezyflier
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thank you, that was informative! 
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dme?I must admit I much prefer to fly -- or try to fly -- a procedure, rather than just being vectored to the ILS. Over Christmas I managed my first really decent DME arc (hand flown of course) and was really chuffed, only to discover later I'd misread the chart and had flown it at 15DME instead of 13!
In the real world it is very unusual to fly a complete procedure due to traffic. At one time the FAA came up with RNAV-VNAV continouous descent procedures where you once on the approach would just fly the complete procedure. However I never did complete one without interruption. I don't think they even offer them anymore. Now it has gotten so bad in some areas that delaying and traffic vectors start over 100 miles out!
Cheers: t.
Cheers: t.
ryanbatc
Charter Member
This is exactly correct, in the FS world. What I do is take the initial heading then set to GPS mode and set A/P to NAV mode and follow the line lol. That way they won't bug you with headings because you'll be following the GPS course.
Obviously you need to fly the headings during approach though... Or you can request a GPS approach and they'll clear you to an IAF (initial approach fix) and you can just fly the pink line again ahah.
srgalahad
Charter Member 2022
Two simple options:
1. as you approach the destination, set weather to "Clear" and continue VFR with ATC off
2. fly direct to destination, cancel IFR when told of your approach, get overhead, press "Y" and slew down to a perfect landing.
The ATC option is fine as far as it goes, but it doesn't offer a lot of variety and is OK in a tubeliner with a nice Otto. Remember though, until not that long ago, pilots hand-flew many of the approaches except at the biggest, fanciest airports. Besides, even if you don't need to do it it sure is good practice in scanning the panel and flying the airplane.
Tom, as you head southeast out of ANC, you overfly a lot of places outside radar coverage and with no FMC or RNAV/VNAV published approaches, but it sure does get fuggy in the winter. C'mon across the border and we'll get you refreshed on flying a full 'hockey stick"
Rob
1. as you approach the destination, set weather to "Clear" and continue VFR with ATC off
2. fly direct to destination, cancel IFR when told of your approach, get overhead, press "Y" and slew down to a perfect landing.
The ATC option is fine as far as it goes, but it doesn't offer a lot of variety and is OK in a tubeliner with a nice Otto. Remember though, until not that long ago, pilots hand-flew many of the approaches except at the biggest, fanciest airports. Besides, even if you don't need to do it it sure is good practice in scanning the panel and flying the airplane.
Tom, as you head southeast out of ANC, you overfly a lot of places outside radar coverage and with no FMC or RNAV/VNAV published approaches, but it sure does get fuggy in the winter. C'mon across the border and we'll get you refreshed on flying a full 'hockey stick"
Rob
cheezyflier
Charter Member
srgalahad, this is a good example of what you were saying in your earlier post
srgalahad
Charter Member 2022
Yep cheezy...
I have a suspicion that the MSFS ATC routines contain something like a "vectoring airspace" so the system drags you off the airway once you are to be vectored, then decides you still need to be headed straight to the airport for a while but in the cool hands of ATC. In these days of FMS et al the airlines would rather stay on the programmed route as long as possible and let Otto do the flying, hence SIDs & STARS that can be computed and profiled in advance.
I've just learned to not expect much from the internal ATC, shut it off and do my own vectoring.
Rob
I have a suspicion that the MSFS ATC routines contain something like a "vectoring airspace" so the system drags you off the airway once you are to be vectored, then decides you still need to be headed straight to the airport for a while but in the cool hands of ATC. In these days of FMS et al the airlines would rather stay on the programmed route as long as possible and let Otto do the flying, hence SIDs & STARS that can be computed and profiled in advance.
I've just learned to not expect much from the internal ATC, shut it off and do my own vectoring.
Rob
cheezyflier
Charter Member
here is a more extreme example
