Done with all flight sims

[FlameOut]

I'm leaning towards something has gone "tit's up" with your hardware/ internet ISP equipment. It's probably time to take her into the shop if you can't find anything wrong.

 

[jmig]

Nobody's getting angry or insulting, so I don't see a need to just shut it down - yet.

Caz, one question... When you get the BSOD, there should be a code a the bottom of the screen telling the reason. Do you remember what that was?

Also consider popping the heat sink off of the CPU to clean and reapply fresh thermal paste. Heat can play some pretty mean tricks on a computer. Also take a look at the Event Viewer and scroll to the times you got the BSOD's to see if anything was logged there.

I have built over 20 computers, most of them for flight sims. I have suffered many a "baffling mysteries" over the years. One item often overlooked and which will cause BSODs is a weakened power supply. I am not saying this is Brother Caz's problem. However, I know that power supplies don't always fail overnight. Sometimes they slowly cease to put out the clean volts and wattage they are rated for. Under hard operation, such as MSFS, they can cause BOSD.

The more I read of Brother Cas's issues, I suspect it is a hardware issue, especially since MSFS was running fine before.

One other issue causing thing I have observed in my years of banging my head against the MS wall, is addon software. Many a time creating new empty Community folder has solved the problem. Then it is adding programs back until you find the one conflicting with another. I once had a problem in P3D that was caused by my own scenery. Talk about aggravation.

Okay Cas, my friend. I will now shut up and say no more. Like John Cagle, I hope you say. You have always been a credit to SOH and someone I have enjoyed getting to know forumwise. I consider you a friend.

 

[DennyA]

Yep, I suggested the power supply uptopic. I literally had an Antec power supply that was failing and only (at the time) Prepar3D and Vegas Video would BSOD — because those were the only things I ran that pushed the system to its limits. Word, browsing, etc. were all stable because they were only using 20% of the CPU, etc.

If it was my system, I’d look at a power supply replacement and Windows “reset” (full wipe option). Odds are very good that would bring the joy back to simming.

But I also 100% empathize with Cazzie on how frustrating this is, and just wanting to spend time doing other things than cursing the consequences of a poor CPU/operating system decision PC users made in the 1980s that we’re all stuck with now.

 

[Wing_Z]

The sim has never once spluttered crashed or died.

Haha I knew should not have written that!
Thrustmaster throttle has gone beserk, flaps won't retract on the ground - the sim has gone bonkers.
I am outta here.

 

[cavaricooper]

Agree. Clean power is the first culprit here and in so many cases… a PS swap is plug and play…C

 

[tommieboy]

I've only had one computer drive me nuts (20 years ago). I did clean reinstalls of the operating system, sim software, removed and reseated all connectors within the computer, swapped memory modules, reseated the CPU cooling fan, flashed the BIOS, etc. It turned out to be a power supply issue, and only reared its ugly head during flight simming. It took me over a year to pin down the issue and resolve it.

Tommy

 

[Cazzie]

Thanks for the advice fellas, but I don't think it's the power supply, otherwise more programs would be affected. What I have come to the conclusion is that it's my GPU. I have about fried my GPU. It's not MSFS 2020. It's just that I had my controls turned up and MSFS 2020 is GPU heavy, I can show you in screenshots. I believe my GPU is getting too hot and that is what is causing the BSODs and Program Closures. The GPU shuts down to keep from completely frying. Oh well, may be in the hunt for a replacement for my RTX 3060.

Cazzie

 

[tiger1962]

A new PSU is LOT cheaper than a new GPU. Just sayin'.

 

[MrZippy]

Have you opened up the case and blown out all of the dust and crud?

 

[Bushpounder]

Thanks for the advice fellas, but I don't think it's the power supply, otherwise more programs would be affected. What I have come to the conclusion is that it's my GPU. I have about fried my GPU. It's not MSFS 2020. It's just that I had my controls turned up and MSFS 2020 is GPU heavy, I can show you in screenshots. I believe my GPU is getting too hot and that is what is causing the BSODs and Program Closures. The GPU shuts down to keep from completely frying. Oh well, may be in the hunt for a replacement for my RTX 3060.

Cazzie

I'd do some cleaning first, Caz. Things may be caked which would cause an overheating issue. Also, make sure all the case fans are running and are running optimally. 3060 should be fine running 2020. Be the easiest and cheapest place to start before dumping XXXX amount of $$$ into it right off the bat, and potentially have the same problem. Just my 2 cents. Hang in there, my friend.

Don BP

 

[Cazzie]

Have you opened up the case and blown out all of the dust and crud?

My PC gets a complete cleaning every 6 months and I mean complete, fans come out and are thoroughly cleaned, RAM cards come out for ease of cleaning the motherboard, so does the graphic and power supply so I can clean its fan underneath. I also leave the side panel off of my PC for better breathing and easy occasional dusting. I built this PC with my son and his partner. We'll build another one after MSFS 2024 comes out with an SSD card dedicated for that sim. I would say I'd do it now, but the way computer cards and such change, I'll wait and order my parts when the sim is released. I get most stuff from Newegg. Funny thing is I had less problems with MSFS 2020 using my old GTX 1080 card than I have had with the RTX 3060.

Check this screenshot and you will see the juice MSFS 2020 pulls off my GPU.

Cazzie

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[Cazzie]

For the record guys, I am still saving all of the MSFS 2020 Updates for my bought products and items from FS.to, particularly scene material Updates. I'll have to wait until matters are fixed to download MSFS 2020 again and get any Updates they might have for the Sim and at the Marketplace. Just uninstalling MSFS 2020 took my PC from 85% efficiency to 94% after defragging. The program really does pull heavy on one's system.

Cazzie

 

[Bushpounder]

What size power supply are you running? Just curious.

Don

 

[Cazzie]

What size power supply are you running? Just curious.

Don

Don, I currently have a 900-Watt unit. My oldest son and his partner are coming down July 15th. He is a computer genius (well both are in different aspects, Phillip knows more about gaming and what is required). They are going to do a diagnostic and probably take my tower back with them to Riner and update the PS to a 1,000-Watt unit, install a better CPU that will allow them to install Windows 11. If my RTX 3060 GPU is FUBAR, they'll replace it. I am leery of the entire 4000 series of cards from all I have read about them. They get all of their stuff from Newegg. I will more than likely go with a RTX 3070 or RTX 3080. I'm just scared of the 4000 cards. Anyhow step one has been taken, having someone with a brain the size of a planet look at it. I taught him the basics, started him when he was 6 years old. Had him writing ASCII by the time he was 10. Now he's making $300G/yr and writes code in seven languages. He bought himself a Hyundai Ioniq 5 two months ago, man that thing is nice! Unreal to drive, hardly any noise whatsoever and what is there, is road noise. I'll have to wait a bit, I am sure the problem lies somewhere with my system and not MSFS 2020. For the record, I tried to install MSFS 2020 this morning twice while watching the 1st stage of the Tour de France and both times got the BSOD and a M$ reboot.

Cazzie

 

[Dangerousdave26]

Cazz

Since the Beta release of Windows 10 I found a little trick that normally fixes any software issues.

In the command prompt or in the search box type

shutdown /s

This forces Windows to shut down completely. On restart it takes longer to boot up but it is worth it. What I find is when a corruption makes it's way into the system a normal shut or reboot doesn't clear out the trash. On a normal shutdown or reboot and corruption or errors are carried over to the next time you start the computer. That is because it isn't shutting down. It's mostly hibernating to give you a false sense of a quick start up.

I had an issue with MSFS 2020 not starting a few days ago and this shutdown fixed it.

 

[Tom Clayton]

Disabling "fast boot" in settings will get you the same deep shutdown. I keep it disabled on all my systems.

 

[DennyA]

Cazzie, the 4000 cards are awesome for MSFS. Literally doubled frame rates.

 

[wombat666]

Cazzie, the 4000 cards are awesome for MSFS. Literally doubled frame rates.

I'll second that!!!!
The ROG Strix GeForce RTX409024G GDDR6X is quite remarkable and even though it costs (Think an Arm and a Leg!!!) the speed and quality is there.
I gave up on MSFS long ago but it rocks P3Dv5+ as well as my racing sims.
The only criticism I've come across is the price but that's normal.

 

[Tom Clayton]

I run a 3070 and I get consistent frames around 80 in good weather, and under the right conditions, I can top out just over 100.

 

[Rudyjo]

Disabling "fast boot" in settings will get you the same deep shutdown. I keep it disabled on all my systems.

Tom
I went through "settings", what file is "Fast Boot" under?