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Douglas A20 Havoc

Douglas A20 Havoc RAF french paint

Hallo SteveB,

I had a look on wp's site,
the only french ac which have the missions painted on the left side is the one I join with this message
all the other frenchies which shows the left side have no mission there
Yours
Papi
 
Douglas A20 Havoc french paint shemes

Hallo again SteveB,

I'm waiting for the frenchies A-20
LOL, yours will certainly be better than my "bricolages" (tinkering)
Yours
Papi
 
Thank you Steve,
they are lokking fine!
Did you had a look on my panel?
I did see that there was about 19 hits. But I do not know if that means also 19 downloade or just had a look on.
As usual I still have any feed back, so I doesn' t know what other people think about.
I had a look on the net and I have seen that there are a lot of different instrument layouts about the A 20's cockpit.
Concerning the repaints, the most difficult part is to have the paintshemes hit at the correct place where are the separation between top and aft and rear parts of the fuselage. Is there a trick ( I will not ask for a catch 22 ) to be correct?
Yours
Papi
 
michaelvader said:
Thank you Steve,
they are lokking fine!
Did you had a look on my panel?
I did see that there was about 19 hits. But I do not know if that means also 19 downloade or just had a look on.
As usual I still have any feed back, so I doesn' t know what other people think about.
I had a look on the net and I have seen that there are a lot of different instrument layouts about the A 20's cockpit.
Concerning the repaints, the most difficult part is to have the paintshemes hit at the correct place where are the separation between top and aft and rear parts of the fuselage. Is there a trick ( I will not ask for a catch 22 ) to be correct?
Yours
Papi
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Papi,

19 would be the downloads of your panel package.

You and Gaucho did a great looking panel.

I usually make a 2D panel from a screenshot of the VC when it is done. That way, both the 2D and VC panels look alike and have everything in the same location.

But it is fair to say that your panel would look better than mine. It would just be different than the VC.

I would encourage anyone who flies mainly from the 2D panel to use your package.

Thanks
 
Douglas A20 Havoc - 2D panel

good moooorrniiing Milton,
thank you a lot for your kind and encouraging words!
They heaten my heart.
Allright I will continue to work on it.
It will certainly finished later than your final release as I will try to
get as closed as possible to your vc
Do you have a solution to my ecu problem?
As I'm sure that Gaucho also read all the posts here - the most thanks to him to have done the first work by giving us a fine bmp to start on.
And of course to you and your team by giving us your fine birds for fs2004.
Yours
Papi
 
michaelvader said:
good moooorrniiing Milton,
thank you a lot for your kind and encouraging words!
They heaten my heart.
Allright I will continue to work on it.
It will certainly finished later than your final release as I will try to
get as closed as possible to your vc
Do you have a solution to my ecu problem?
As I'm sure that Gaucho also read all the posts here - the most thanks to him to have done the first work by giving us a fine bmp to start on.
And of course to you and your team by giving us your fine birds for fs2004.
Yours
Papi
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Papi,

You are welcome Sir. You do very nice work and freely share it.

I went back to read previous posts and I do not see any mention of an ecu problem.
Could you explain it again?
 
Douglas A20 Havoc 2D panel

Hallo, Milton, Hallo friends,

the ecu problem is on my side.
All engine control units I know are vertically, the levers moving from down to the upper end.
On the A20 the whole unit is inclinated to the right as you figured it out on the VC. (sadly not as a gauge)
I tried differend ways to build an ecu like this but allways failed with the levers not showing properly or beeing
hidden by the other levers of the unit
On another version of a A20 2D panel (perhaps for the night fighter version)
I simply did not put an ecu on it. Hmmm not really pleasing me.
Perhaps soe one can find a solution.
Another little detail - on an russian site I found a photo of an russian A20 - it looks to me as if the russians used russian gauges
on their Havocs. That would astonish me a lot due to the mass they had to reequip in a time those planes where urgent to come to the units
Do some one know some thing about this?
In the case of russian gauges I will try to make a special version.
I join a screenie of the other version of the panel
Yours
Papi
 
michaelvader said:
Thank you Steve,
they are lokking fine!
Did you had a look on my panel?
I did see that there was about 19 hits. But I do not know if that means also 19 downloade or just had a look on.
As usual I still have any feed back, so I doesn' t know what other people think about.
I had a look on the net and I have seen that there are a lot of different instrument layouts about the A 20's cockpit.
Concerning the repaints, the most difficult part is to have the paintshemes hit at the correct place where are the separation between top and aft and rear parts of the fuselage. Is there a trick ( I will not ask for a catch 22 ) to be correct?
Yours
Papi
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Hi Papi.

I have not had a chance too download your panel as of yet, I have been trying some of that sleep thing. I will take a look tonight.
I am no expert on panels and rarely use them so I hope you can get some better feedback off some one who knows about such things.
As for getting the edges of the paint to match up I normally apply the overall pattern I want, and then spend a lot of time matching the edges one at a time until they meet correctly. This entails taking a close in screen shot of the area I am working on, and counting the pixels I need to move left or right, paint then putting the texture back into the sim and hope they line up ok. If not then I take another screenshot and try again.
On the rear of the Boston the roof texture only covers up to the start of the tail, the rest of the top texture is covered on the side textures.
I hope this makes sense.

Steve
 
Douglas A20 Havoc radar operator

Good Morning Milton,

do you have any pictures or drawings of the P-70 radar operators cockpit.
or any doc concerning the equipment for the radar operator?
Also I wonder if the pilot did not have a rador scope on his panel as it was the case for the F7-F or the Skyraiders later.
Yours Papi
 
Here are some WIP shots and a status report on VC progress. The pilot's compartment is pretty much done except for a bit of weathering and wear and I've moved on to the bombardier's and rear gunner/radar operator's compartments..getting close...:)

Note: we have eschewed the the brilliant zinc chromate color in favor of darker and subtle. However, we'll be putting the interior templates out with updated paint kits at the time of final release. So folks can make them as bright as they'd like to in the future. :)
 

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michaelvader said:
Good Morning Milton,

do you have any pictures or drawings of the P-70 radar operators cockpit.
or any doc concerning the equipment for the radar operator?
Also I wonder if the pilot did not have a rador scope on his panel as it was the case for the F7-F or the Skyraiders later.
Yours Papi
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Hi Papi,

I know you addressed this to Milton, but wanted to let you know I have looked through the multitude of photos, E$M manual and other sources I have been using for the interior work. I have yet to find anything other than the attached excerpt from the E&M manual on the rear-gunner/radar operator position. This may in part be due to the lack of a surviving Nighthawk example (although I did see a couple of exterior shots from Airliners.net of what looks to be a Nighthawk from a number of years back). I will keep looking, and perhaps Milton has something I missed, but we may be have to fudge a bit. I do have lots of interior shots of the pilot's compartment and instrument panel and none reflect that the pilot had a screen.
 

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Douglas A20 Havoc P-70 radar operator

Hallo Wellis and friends,

if the pilot himself had no scope or any other indicators,
this will mean that the radar operator had to guide the pilot on the target untill the pilot get it into visual sight
brrrrrrr
not an easy job!
for the moment I focus on the second version of the A-20 cockpit
The main problem are still the engine control levers
Perhabs rob barentberg would have a look on it ?
I do not have his email to contact him.
Yours
Papi
 
michaelvader said:
Hallo Wellis and friends,

if the pilot himself had no scope or any other indicators,
this will mean that the radar operator had to guide the pilot on the target untill the pilot get it into visual sight
brrrrrrr
not an easy job!
for the moment I focus on the second version of the A-20 cockpit
The main problem are still the engine control levers
Perhabs rob barentberg would have a look on it ?
I do not have his email to contact him.
Yours
Papi
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Indeed, the early radars were challenging in many respects. Not sure of what you are referring to on the engine control levers, but attached is a screen cap of how they have been treated for the vc. This is the C model cockpit which still needs a minor "touch up" from Milton but is essentially what you'll get in the beta/final releases.


Edit: you might find these links helpful for the pilot's compartment. Both are G models:

https://www.eaa.org/apps/virtualtour/a20-cockpit360-eaa.html

http://www.raafamberleyheritage.gov.au/tours/boston1/flash/aahc_boston_cockpit.html
 

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Today I finally found some time to download and install this aircraft and it made me really speechless. All I can say is kudos to all involved! You all did a great job. Milton the models are absolutely stunning and Wellis you did an outstanding job on the textures and paintkit.

My old PSP7 wasn't able to open them, but with the help of gimp I was able to convert then into something PSP7 can open.....

Now I need to find some time to do something with the paintkit. Where I had expected a load of US repaints from the G model, it seems that the C model, or should I say Boston is more popular. Therefore I decided that I will try to do a US repaint for the G. My "paint-time" is very limited, but I will do my best.

Again to all involved you did an incredible job! And thank for sharing your work with the community :encouragement:

Cheers,
Huub

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huub vink said:
Today I finally found some time to download and install this aircraft and it made me really speechless. All I can say is kudos to all involved! You all did a great job. Milton the models are absolutely stunning and Wellis you did an outstanding job on the textures and paintkit.

My old PSP7 wasn't able to open them, but with the help of gimp I was able to convert then into something PSP7 can open.....

Now I need to find some time to do something with the paintkit. Where I had expected a load of US repaints from the G model, it seems that the C model, or should I say Boston is more popular. Therefore I decided that I will try to do a US repaint for the G. My "paint-time" is very limited, but I will do my best.

Again to all involved you did an incredible job! And thank for sharing your work with the community :encouragement:

Cheers,
Huub
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Thank you Huub, very much for the kind words sir. I am sure the rest of the team appreciate them as well. It has been a labor of love here, just doing the paint kit. I am glad to hear you were able to access the templates with gimp. I will look forward to seeing a paint(s) from you. :) I have a few planned myself, after the "construction phase" is completed.
 
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