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Douglas X-3 Stiletto X

Even if i didnt know the hell this plane would put its pilots through, i'd be afraid too..

NACA pilot Joseph A. Walker made his pilot checkout flight in the X-3 on August 23, 1954, then conducting eight research flights in September and October. By late October, the research program was expanded to include lateral and directional stability tests. In these tests, the X-3 was abruptly rolled at transonic and supersonic speeds, with the rudder kept centered. Despite its shortcomings, the X-3 was ideal for these tests. The mass of its engines, fuel and structure was concentrated in its long, narrow fuselage, while its wings were short and stubby. As a result, the X-3 was "loaded" along its fuselage, rather than its wings. This was typical of the fighter aircraft then in development or testing. These tests would lead to the X-3's most significant flight, and the near-loss of the aircraft.

On October 27, 1954, Walker made an abrupt left roll at Mach 0.92 and an altitude of 30,000 feet
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The X-3 rolled as expected, but also pitched up 20 degrees and yawed 16 degrees. The aircraft gyrated for five seconds before Walker was able to get it back under control. He then set up for the next test point. Walker put the X-3 into a dive, accelerating to Mach 1.154 at 32,356 feet, where he made an abrupt left roll. The aircraft pitched down and reached a g-loading of -6.7, then pitched upward to +7 Gs. At the same time, the X-3 sideslipped, resulting in a loading of 2 Gs. Walker managed to bring the X-3 under control and successfully landed.

The post-flight examination showed the fuselage had been subjected to its maximum load limit. Had the G forces been higher, the aircraft could have broken up. Walker and the X-3 had experienced "roll coupling," in which a maneuver in one axes will cause an uncommanded maneuver in one or two others. At the same time, several F-100s were involved in similar incidents. A research program was started by the NACA to understand the problem and find solutions.

( https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/FactSheets/FS-077-DFRC.html )



In the pdf's from above i discovered that raising the horizontal stabilizer a couple inches helped to correct for these errors. On the F-104 which could be said is the red headed step child of the X-3 we find the horizontal stabilizer lifted into the top of the vertical stabilizer and all these problems are pretty much gone, regardless of the heavy fuselage loading..
 
ok, so, I have a question for you guys before i start digging into this flight model.. Do you want me to model both the powerplant it had AND the power plant it was supposed to have ( which never appeared ), or do we want to just use the one powerplant??

Hi Pam, :)

Assuming that we find a way to get this model done, my thinking is to do both as an option, but I would prefer how it was supposed to be to get the most out of this project, but I leave that to you, and will respect your decision.

Thanks
 
I would make a correction to that data if i may..

The original test Pilot ( Bill Bridgeman ) made a total of 26 flights in the X-3.
Lt. Col. Frank Everest and Maj. Chuck Yeager each made 3 flights, and Joseph Walker made the final 8 flights for a total of 40 flights before the aircraft was retired..

Yes, I saw that ... always take some of these sites with a grain of salt. Some use general figures as well so I make sure I use lots of reference data and then try to reconcile differences.
 
It's not nightmarish to model, but to get it right would require cross sections.

The issue is not the front; it's the mid-section to end of afterburners.

Well, even that's doable in my eyes (the engine pods are pretty distinctive and the fueselage tapers out and back in, with fus. and nacelles simply "puttied" together, for lack of a better term), but since I don't want to become the (in)voluntary executive on modeling this one, I'll leave the judgement to you. :) ;)
 
Well, even that's doable in my eyes (the engine pods are pretty distinctive and the fueselage tapers out and back in, with fus. and nacelles simply "puttied" together, for lack of a better term), but since I don't want to become the (in)voluntary executive on modeling this one, I'll leave the judgement to you. :) ;)

LOL Well, you are more than welcome to do it Bjoern. I have no affinity to this aircraft; my preferences are toward props. :)

For me to do it, I want it to be as correct as possible. IMO, eyeballing it is not worth the time invested because I know the end result is going to be off in places 8-12" or more, and then the model is open to constant critique and adjustments trying to hit everyone's opinion of where it's wrong. Bah! LOL
 
Pam, currently near Birch Bay, debating about north or south come better weather season. Leaning towards Los Cedros, though, go kill me a Great White.
Back to the Marlinspike...Still looking for drawings...:wavey:
 
Pam, currently near Birch Bay, debating about north or south come better weather season. Leaning towards Los Cedros, though, go kill me a Great White.
Back to the Marlinspike...Still looking for drawings...:wavey:

Sounds wonderful.. No life in the world like living anchored out, which i did for a time in a little 25' Piver off gate 5 in sausalito..Next lifetime should there be one, i'll get a 35' cross.. :).. Or better yet, own a yacht company so i can design my own :).. Think of it. A trimaran that jibes like a monohull :)..
 
I'm wondering ( and no i'm not quite sane tonight. my blood oxygen is frighteningly low ). That side elevation from NACA is pretyty accurate, and even gives the sut in angle for the thrust tunnel ( 21* ). What if we used that to model the side elevation, sans cockpit and empennage to the width given in the drawing, and then use the front elevation to shape it? We could then do the same thing for the empannage and cockpit and simply marry the two together. Now, Please understand, I'm speaking as a layman here. I cant do poly modeling, and havent any clue as to the complexity of what i'm suggesting, But I figure if the numbers match up then we're good to go..
 
OK. So Back at it.
Paul has done an absolutely spectacular job of nailing the power and lift curves and a few other purposeful annoyances. I'm working with the lifting surfaces seeing as Nasa didnt fully take them into account until it began its lifting surface/lifting body experiments of the 1960s where in the X-3 was at least mentioned in passing. Paul will be working on other projects in the near future ( Thanks JF! Best partner I ever had..... ) and so wont be able to dedicate any time to this project, but we hope to have it in a presentable state before he has to go. However, we move forward.
For me, theres a lot to do. Adverse yaw, is one thing, adverse yaw on purpose is another and the RIGHT type of adverse yaw during the correct set of circumstances is yet another. I've got the first one ok so far, I need to get to the third.
The bottom line for me I guess is that this plane is legendary for being unstable, kantankerous and over all a general pain, but if that were true, why did Lockheed simply take all of Nasa's research data, and build the F-104 with it ( yup, its a direct knockoff )??? I want this plane to reflect those qualities that infuriated pilots, but held enough promise for Lockheed to create one of the greatest legends of flight with it: The F-104.

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Flight Model Update

I know its been a while. I'm sorry.. However, theres some good news. I turned over the release candidate of the FDE to Milton the the team for their testing and approval, yesterday. Hopefully, that means, it wont be long now :)..

Testing it in FSX revealed FSX's docile nature. The plane is much easier to fly in FSX than it is in P3Dv4, but yeah, it'll still kill ya if you dont treat it like a lady..

90% of a standard flight, can be done with one finger on the trim wheel. The other ten percent?? Keep things gentle on the controls and she'll bring you home safe and sound, till you land ( thats another challenge ). Think things through a turn, dont just manhandle it. It'll kill ya.

Landings are where the plane really shows off its inherent lateral instability. Use a lakebed or somewhere where your not trying to line up with a center line, because you have to be flat and low and smooth, or she'll start rocking side to side and you'll end up imitating the opening sequence to six million dollar man ( which was an XB-24 btw: a lifting body designed after the X-3 ).

Over all, I love this plane. It's a blast. I cant wait to get it into your hands, But Milton and crew will be adding their own special touches too it before release so please be patient.. I guarantee your gonna like it..

Pam

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Looks great, Pam. Stand by for crash tests. My poor neighbors....they wonder why I'm always screaming:biggrin-new: They think I'm nutz!:very_drunk:
 
Welll, I'm sorry guys. I tried making a video of it to show it off on launch day, but, Instant replay abruptly ends after about three minutes and places you back at the end of the flight your replaying. I dont know whats causing it. If anyone can proffer a clue, I'd greatly appreciate it..
 
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