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Eaglesoft Citation X Extreme V2.0 for FSX Released!

Thank you Eaglesoft Staff/Team!

I'll have to wait to install/purchase till next week though because of computer upgrades. I do have one question...

If you purchased CXv1.0 can you get a discount (Flight1 coupon) on your CXv2.0 purchase?
If the answer is, yes, then I might pickup CJ1 and CSPII, as well, in gratitude.:wavey:
 
n4gix said:
You can run the CX 2.0 without FADEC and FSUIPC support, but you will be giving up one of the neatest features: the ability to simply select TO, CLMB, and CRUZ detents, and let the FADEC system manage your engine's performance automatically.
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Thanks for this - exactly the reply I needed.

I'll be skipping it. If a simconnect version is ever in the works, you'll have a buyer.

(I'm aware that FSUIPC does a great deal, and I've used the unregistered version with more than one addon, but in 2 years I've never felt the need to register, so I'd see this as a $80/90 buy, which is just too much, sorry.)

I remain a very happy ES owner - your Cit II is great :)
 
Paul_Yorks said:
Thanks for this - exactly the reply I needed.

I'll be skipping it. If a simconnect version is ever in the works, you'll have a buyer.

(I'm aware that FSUIPC does a great deal, and I've used the unregistered version with more than one addon, but in 2 years I've never felt the need to register, so I'd see this as a $80/90 buy, which is just too much, sorry.)

I remain a very happy ES owner - your Cit II is great :)
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There are two problems with SimConnect.

1. It does not support throttle axis interception as does FSUIPC, so is quite useless for this task. This is a feature added by Pete Dowson long before SimConnect was even dreamed of.

2. Even if SimConnect did support this, FS9 doesn't support SimConnect, which would require two separate code paths, ergo more expensive.

While I do understand your point, the single feature of full-FADEC engine control not being available doesn't negate the hundreds of other custom features (such as a full-blown Primus 2000 avionics suite, FMS, MCDU, etc.).

FADEC is a mostly a pilot convenience, not a requirement for flying the aircraft. It simply requires a bit more effort on the pilot's part to avoid placing the engines in a dangerous condition, just as any other non-FADEC equipped aircraft.

It's like saying I won't buy this Ferrari because it uses Dunlap tyres, and I only use Goodyear...

...yeah, but it's STILL a Ferrari! :applause:
 
n4gix said:
There are two problems with SimConnect.

1. It does not support throttle axis interception as does FSUIPC, so is quite useless for this task. This is a feature added by Pete Dowson long before SimConnect was even dreamed of.

2. Even if SimConnect did support this, FS9 doesn't support SimConnect, which would require two separate code paths, ergo more expensive.
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Thanks again for the swift reply.

The Wilco Airbus uses throttle detentes without FSUIPC - it can be a little clunky, but essentially it works. I push my throttle forward, and the detente is indicated by a sound fx. Do I take it this is an approach you've rejected?

And the F1 ATR lets you set detentes with a mouse click (on the throttle in the VC), if memory serves - is that possible with the X?

That's 2 birds with detente-based throttles that don't need FSUIPC - maybe your version is nicer, but can we please have a "clunky" version that works without it? :)

I'm trying to find a reason to buy, btw, not a reason not to! Though as someone who never used FS9, I care not for compatibility with it. My personal Machiavelli tells me that the sooner people stop supporting it, the quicker we'll see better addons for FSX, without the compromises you mention.
 
Paul_Yorks said:
Thanks again for the swift reply.

That's 2 birds with detente-based throttles that don't need FSUIPC - maybe your version is nicer, but can we please have a "clunky" version that works without it? :)
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There's more than simple "eyecandy" and "clicking noises" to an actual working FADEC system.

The heart of a real, working FADEC system consists of coding a "simulated computer within a computer" that actively monitors the hardware throttle positions as well as myriad engine conditions, then sends a continuously corrected output to the engine's fuel injector system.

Gaah! That's horribly simplified, but trust me that Ed's done a wonderful job coding that bit of "black box computer magic." The FADEC "code" alone consists of umpty-thousand lines of C code, and took the better part of a full year to implent.

I cannot speak of the ATR, but being an owner of the other aircraft I'm confident that it does not have a true FADEC "computer" emulated.

Once again, I must emphasise that not being being able (or willing) to take advantage of this one single feature does not of itself render the CX v2.0 "unusable." It simply means that the simpilot will have to expend a bit more effort to keep within the engine's operating parameters, as well as keeping track of fuel economy...

...just as they would with any other non-FADEC equipped aircraft! :ernae:

In any case, with the guarantee of a no-questions-asked, 30 day refund policy, why not simply try it out? You can then make a better informed decision about the matter. You may even find that it's perfectly enjoyable even without the full-FADEC support...
 
Paul_Yorks said:
That's 2 birds with detente-based throttles that don't need FSUIPC - maybe your version is nicer, but can we please have a "clunky" version that works without it? :)
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FADEC isn't a 'detente-based throttle'... it is quite literally a complex thrust management computer system that monitors all aspects of flight and throttle position to set the correct level of thrust in the engines. The detents merely define a maximum thrust level for a given flight phase such as takeoff or climb. However, FADEC operates through all the throttle positions from idle all the way to takeoff.

Paul_Yorks said:
I'm trying to find a reason to buy, btw, not a reason not to! Though as someone who never used FS9, I care not for compatibility with it. My personal Machiavelli tells me that the sooner people stop supporting it, the quicker we'll see better addons for FSX, without the compromises you mention.
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There are no compromises and to claim such is, honestly, insulting. The use of FSUIPC to implement FADEC was the best approach for FS9 and FSX. Had I tried to use SimConnect for FSX, the aircraft's price would have easily doubled because it would have taken me much longer to implement and I don't work for free. ;)
 
As Bill mentioned, FSUIPC is the Swiss Army knife for FS users and should be in every simmers toolbox.
The unique part of our FADEC implimentation is that is covers the entire throttle range and is a feature that [to our knowledge] has not been duplicated to this depth in any other product.
The FSUIPC interface provides great value in that its presence allows the interface to "see" the the location/range of your hardware Throttle Lever and interpret that for true to life simulation of FADEC.
That is something that must be experienced to appreciate.
Don't want FSUIPC and realistic FADEC? Then the system reverts to default Throttle behaviour.:mixedsmi:
 
Ron/Bill, thanks again for the helpful and informative replies. I may yet try the 30 day terms, I know F1 is good for it.

Ed, I'm sorry if you thought I insulted you. Not my intention. My light hearted point was merely that FSUIPC only seemed to be required because of the FS9 link. A free hint though, from a man who has to sell to potential buyers every day: you may indeed end up working for nothing, if your responses are all like this one.
 
Paul, thanks for your lighthearted response and sales tip.
A litttle clarification if I may.
1. We chose F1 to handle our ecommerce because of the customer friendly nature and because the F1 wrapper enables US to offer a 30 Day Refund policy.
Every refund comes from our pocket, not F1.
2. We are not a shill for Pete and his great little utility. Its use enhances simmer experience but the purchase is customer decision.
3. While we hope you give us a try and like what you see and experience, there will be no other sales efforts or offers made.:bump:
 
Beautiful job Eaglesoft!! She's well worth the wait!!!
Thank You for your hard work!!!
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Beautiful screenshots! The graceful, smooth lines are readily apparent (no pinched-nose), and the signature "swooping gullwings" really show up nicely. :ernae:
 
Yes Ron!!! She's fantastic!!! I've only scratched the surface,I've a lot to learn about her!!
Great work guy's Thank You!:medals:
 
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