Early KLM scheme for Manfred's C-47

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As I don't think it was avalaible yet, I did an early KLM scheme for, it is for the current version of Manfred's C-47, but will most probably fit on the new version as well. Maarten (Brouwer) was so kind to explain the jungle of early KLM liveries.

The PH-TDW on one of the C-47 which remained with the KLM for a very long period. It is here shown in a scheme which was introduced just after the war. It still had the large registration numbers on the fuselage and and on both wings. In 1949 this aircraft was flying regularly between Amsterdam and Manchester.

The PH-TDW was originally built as a C-47A-25-DK (42-108961) and served with the RAF with registration KG-646. In was converted in a civil version in 1947 and registered as PH-DTW by the KLM in 1949. In 1954 it was registered as PH-DAW, due to a change in the KLM registration system (The D in the registration stood for Douglas). In april 1955 it was transfer to KLM Aerocarto NV at Schiphol. Most work for KLM Aerocarto NV was in Surinam and both the PH-DAW and PH-DAA went to Zanderij in Parimaribo. The PH-DAA crashed during bad weather in 1968. The PH-DAW stayed in use until 1970 when it was registration as PZ-TLA. However the day s for C-47 were over and the registration was cancelled in June 1972. After which it was left abandoned and slowly taken apart.







 
What is this early stuff Huub? Looks fantastic with great detail. If this is early the final will really jump out at you. :applause:
 
Tom, I think my explanation was a bit odd, but the repaint is nearly finished, but the scheme was the first real KLM livery after the war. Before this the KLM C-47 s were bare metal with only text in black.

The KLM liked to experiment with their colours as the banners above the windows come in all size with different text. The locations and fonts of the registration has been changed over the years and the last version with these banners had a white top.
Most pictures from this period are poor and there are several profiles which mix details from one scheme into another scheme. Luckily Maarten was able to explain what scheme belonged in which period.

When the KLM ran out of options they introduced (around 1960) the "candy wrapper" livery which I did earlier. However that didn't have a very long life as well as this livery was revised again around 1964.

I hope to upload this repaint this evening.

Cheers,
Huub
 
She is simply beautiful. The development team should include her in the final release as far as I am concerned.
 
Looks great Huub!

The KLM had a lot of different colours throughout the years, from bare metal, bright orange, bare metal with blue, and three different liveries with two colours blue and white.

Bare metal and orange neutrality colours:



Next up were the colours Huub painted on the DC-3 above, next up was this livery, here seen on a Conny:





Previous livery on a non-KLM aircraft:



Current livery:



KLM Skyteam:



And those are just the main colours, not to mention all the small variations.... :isadizzy:
 
Huub, I really appreciate your making this KLM livery available. I started flight simming in 1998 with FS98. I bought a compact disk from a company called VIP (I think it was from Australia) that included a DC-3 with this livery. It was my DC-3 of choice since I had just married my lovely Dutch wife, Jenny. It brings back many fond memories!

Thanks, Paul:jump::jump:
 
Thanks for all the nice words!

Ferry I think you missed at least one livery. The version before the current livery is missing. KLM aircraft had a white top and a white tail for a short period.

The file has been uploaded and should be available soon. There is a small misalignment of the blue stripes over the cowling flap. This is a minor shortcoming from this further excellent model. There is one single texture used for both sides of both engines and it can not better aligned than this. Hopefully this will be solved in the upgrade of this model.

The repaint is based on the original paintkit by Manfred Jahn.

Make sure you download the correct version as I will make an FS9 version available "soonish"....

Enjoy,
Huub
 
Well done, Huub, looks magnificent ! :applause:

Small nitpick : AFAIK as long as the KLM livery carried 'The Flying Dutchman' signature it was only carried on the port side. The starboard side proudly wore the dutch translation, aka 'De Vliegende Hollander' .... I can understand, in your enthusiasm you must've overlooked that fact... :mixedsmi:

Possibly for your interest, here are four nice old piccies of KLM DC-3's in various paint configs. :

All bare-metal like your PH-TDW :

dc3_klm_ph-tbp.jpg


dc3_klm_ph-tbz.jpg


(notice the Ju-52 in the background)

Because of the bare-aluminium the pax cabin could get quite hot so the top was painted white :

dc3_klm_ph-daw.jpg


Later the white paint was extended on the fuselage sides as well :

dc3_klm_ph-dat.jpg


If you're interested i have more...

Groeten,
Jan
 
Thanks for sharing these pictures Jan.

Funny enough the PH-TPB was already painted different than the PH-TDW. On the TPB the stripping over the engines is missing and the text "Koninklijke Luchtvaartmaatschappij NV Holland" has been painted on the tail. I also found at least 3 variations on the banners above the windows. As you can see on your pictures the banner on the TCP is extended over the passengers door, while the (same type) banner on the PH-DAW it isn't. I also found pictures on when the banner is leaning forward instead of leaning backwards as shown on your pictures. Not to mention the old KLM logo, which was painted on the tail on one aircraft and on the white part from the rudder on another. Somea aircraft had the logo painted on the nose while others didn't......

It also seems that some aircraft have an anti-glare panel and others don't. Another odd detail I see on your pictures is the fact that only the PH-DAW (ex-PH-TDW) has the hinges from the cargo door.

That is the main reason why I took the TDW, as it was the only aircraft from which I could find a picture from both sides. Both pictures were taken on Manchester, so I assume they were taken in the same period.

I want to do a repaint with the PH-DAA in the "full white top" version and the banner over the full length of the fuselage as shown in your last picture. I assume all aircraft in this livery had "De Vliegende Hollander" on the right side of the fuselage and "The Flying Dutchman" on the left side.

When you have some pictures which support this assumption, they would be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Huub
 
PutPut said:
Huub, I really appreciate your making this KLM livery available. I started flight simming in 1998 with FS98. I bought a compact disk from a company called VIP (I think it was from Australia) that included a DC-3 with this livery. It was my DC-3 of choice since I had just married my lovely Dutch wife, Jenny. It brings back many fond memories!
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Sure does! :cool:


The 'VIP' KLM DC-3 for FS98 came from my early paintshop ( orginal model by John Kelly with upgrades by me ). 'VIP Classic Wings' was founded by Kenneth Kerr,a Scotsman living in Canada. In fact Ken produced the first ever thirdparty panel/gauges for FS. I think it's fair to say, as far as FS is concerned, he is legendary. :)


He was my hero because one of his first panels was for the DC-3. I don't know if you remember but before Ken did his magic we had to fly the very first FS DC-3 with a C172 panel and C172 sound too.... :icon_eek:

That couldn't go on of course... Ken took care of the panel, i took care of the sound.

We've come a long way ! :jump:


Cheers,
Jan
 
Interesting about the sound. To this day that sound file sounds closer to a real DC-3 than any I have heard since. My opinion not necessarily shared by others. (As I write the DC-3 on a mail run from Catalina Island to Long Beach just went overhead). A couple of years ago I manufactured my own sound file that works in FSX and FS9. (It is for my own use only) I took the sound.cfg file from the FS9 DC-3 and changed all the engine wave files to those from the VIP disk. I use it on all my DC-3's and C-47's.

Best, Paul:salute::salute:
 
Javis said:
Sure does! :cool:


The 'VIP' KLM DC-3 for FS98 came from my early paintshop ( orginal model by John Kelly with upgrades by me ). 'VIP Classic Wings' was founded by Kenneth Kerr,a Scotsman living in Canada. In fact Ken produced the first ever thirdparty panel/gauges for FS. I think it's fair to say, as far as FS is concerned, he is legendary. :)


He was my hero because one of his first panels was for the DC-3. I don't know if you remember but before Ken did his magic we had to fly the very first FS DC-3 with a C172 panel and C172 sound too.... :icon_eek:

That couldn't go on of course... Ken took care of the panel, i took care of the sound.

We've come a long way ! :jump:
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Crikey I still have that CD on the shelf here the VIP series ... whoops even earlier than FS98 .. For Microsoft Flight Simulator 95 :icon_eek: freely available to anyone who wants it :cool:
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Ian Warren said:
Crikey I still have that CD on the shelf here the VIP series ... whoops even earlier than FS98 .. For Microsoft Flight Simulator 95 :icon_eek: freely available to anyone who wants it :cool:
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Ian, like you I still have the cd as well. Certainly come a loooooooong way.
 
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