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michael davies

Charter Member 2012
I've had several requests for info, meshes and paint masters in the past few months, all polite and nice until the information or files have been given, and then nothing, maybe its me but if you can take the time to write and ask then you should be able to take the time to reply with two simple words at least, thank you isn't hard to write.

Sadly further requests for information, files, meshes and paint masters will all be answered to the negative, whats already out there is fair game but no more, I'm tired of all the lazy, rude, insert your excuse here (.....) gimme pigs. I'll consider colleagues, old friends and those who have said thank you before, but anyone new, sorry your out of luck, blame your predecessors.

Sadly Michael.
 
While I have requested material from developers that sometimes never amounted to anything via my own fault (the CRDA Z.511 comes to mind), I have always been greatful and thanked them.

Sorry to hear of your bad streak Michael. I do hope you change your mind.
 
To the best of my knowledge I have not asked for assistance in this way and being an OAP [Senior Citizen] there are many times when I wished I had known who to ask for what and I certainly wouldn't be ill mannered enough to say [as a minimum] thank you to whomsoever performed a particular service. How sad, therefore, to read that there are those among us who have failed to perform such a simplistic act of manners. Shame on them.

M.
 
Sorry to hear of all the negativity.

It truly is pathetic to see the lack of gratitude - in particular for freeware - these days. I remember the FS98 days (before I knew that a sim could be modded, or that places like flightsim.com even existed) tootling around over and over in the same default Lear, wishing there was a fighter jet somewhere to be had for the sim ....

Maybe the wealth of addons has made it easy for some to develop an entitled set of expectations - who knows.

Regardless, have always appreciated your work, thanks again for all past - and possibly future - projects.

dl
 
The way I handle this is as follows. I freely give what I can give, but for each request that I get I check whether the person has had a request granted before and if s/he has followed proper email etiquette then. If not, then I say I am sorry No, or don't reply at all. Same for tips in forums, if they aren't acknowledged following PoP (Principle of Politeness), that poster will get none in future.
 
This is the world we live in. I have seen people actually demand that their posts be answered; yet all too often they can't even be bothered to thank someone who has taken the time and effort to answer them. The same goes for FSX freeware creation; such a thankless job that I sometimes wonder why anyone would bother at all.

Regards, Mike Mann
 
mjahn said:
The way I handle this is as follows. I freely give what I can give, but for each request that I get I check whether the person has had a request granted before and if s/he has followed proper email etiquette then. If not, then I say I am sorry No, or don't reply at all. Same for tips in forums, if they aren't acknowledged following PoP (Principle of Politeness), that poster will get none in future.
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Not intending to side rail your thread Michael but just wanted to give a nod to mjahn's comment. Have to agree completely, especially when giving advice/assistance in a product support situation. So many times you have no idea whether the suggest worked or if they even saw it. The thread just suddenly ends with your answer.

Sorry to hear of your decision Michael but completely understand. There's a sense of entitlement out there lately in a lot of matters (certainly not limited to flightsim) that just hasn't been earned.
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Michael, indeed I agree with the way you feel. I've seen more take take, as you mention. Those who do give, work very hard to be able to do that. I'm just scratching the surface, but, considering I'm getting more in-depth with sim related things like I have been, I'm learning quickly it's a lot of work.

I don't recall if I ever asked you for anything, but I experience your point. Irritating.
 
I get similar. I really love the "I know you don't do requests, but can you make me a XXX, with full Accusim, paint kit, etc. In one week." letters.
Those who ask nicely for the OK to post on their site, repaints, etc. will get a nice reply from me. If not...
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Sorry to hear this Mr. Davies as you truly are an assett to the flight simulation community! I agree though that the 'gimme' societal attitude is getting a little old though. Granted I haven't seen it here, but just in life in general.
 
I think that this phenomena is one of the main reasons why many freeware developers have simply stopped doing freeware.. It just isnt worth it at some point.. Look at the P-61 thread. No, i'm not hawking my plane, but really, look at the time energy and effort put into that plane by my team. believe me, its nothing special. ALL developers put in amazing amounts of time and energy to bring these works of engineering art to the public, and all most of us want is a smile, or a thank you.. 2000 hours work for two little words in return.. I personally dont think its a lot to ask or even expect.. By not saying thank you, you send one clear message to us.. You dont care.. Well, guess what, we've got lives too. We dont have to do these planes. We could be out climbing mountains, water skiing, flying even.. You can go fly ancient Ito-san's or something else of equally doubtful characteristics. Is that what you folks would want?? think about it....!!
Pam
 
That's why making payware is in a way more rewarding. You get paid and don't have to care for (non-just) comments. Buy it or leave it. Of course, you'll have an obligation to do customer support instead, which is a dog for many developers.

Then again... who said life's simple? :icon_lol:
 
Not what Mr Ito would want to thank you for not very charitable

Well, guess what, we've got lives too. We dont have to do these planes. We could be out climbing mountains, water skiing, flying even.. You can go fly ancient Ito-san's or something else of equally doubtful characteristics. Is that what you folks would want?? think about it....!!
Pam
 
I have no place to post here but you all should know by now, this is praise of the highest kind, personally I'm not one for messaging people asking for stuff to be made for me but you guys get emails because you are some of the top developers in this hobby and it doesn't matter how many times you say it, this will always happen, take it as being a flightsim celebrity with email paparazzi lol!!
 
Very true. not very charitable.. My apologies..But a bucket is a bucket and even Ito San admits his flight characteristics arent accurate or even very good..
I have for some time though specifically searched out and sought Japanese movies he's had a hand in specifically for his excellence in that field..
 
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