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ETO_KG 51 Attack on England

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PRang

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ETO_KG 51 Attack on England:

ETO 1.40 ERA5 Historical

In order to be more historically accurate and if you have 'Firepower"change the following:

1. All avh_b-17g-80_002 to the B-24 in Firepower

2. The ETO_JU88C6_R4 to Me 410s (FP)

Do not have Firepower; then just change the avh_b-17g-80_002 to the the appropiate TKs B-24s

Historical Background:

On 2 April of the same year(1945), following the example of Operation Gisella, a group of about fifteen Me 410 of KG 51 'Edelweiss', based at Beauvais, France(?), made a similar operation. The group of Zerstörers followed during daytime the bombers of 2nd Division USAAF back to their home bases in England. Short after the bombers landed, the Me 410s attacked destroying many B24s.

The only loss was Obl. Klaus Krüger, Klaus and Fw. Reichardt's plane (9K+HP, Wrk.Nr. 420458) shot down over Ashby by AA fire.

B-24 Bases: NE Suffolf and Norfolk. Rackheath Airfield [467th Heavy Bombardment Group (Heavy)] and Hethel Airfield [389th Heavy Bombardment Group (Heavy)] "Sky Scorpions".

Thanks to HH for working on this mission

God bless

PRang :salute:
 
prang ..NOT TO APPEAR , dumb , or slow , or really silly , or ...well you know ......is this mission to be or is being developed by you and "hh"


tks

lb/joshua
 
loverboy1 said:
prang ..NOT TO APPEAR , dumb , or slow , or really silly , or ...well you know ......is this mission to be or is being developed by you and "hh"


tks

lb/joshua
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:wavey:ETO_KG 51 Attack on England ETO 1.40 ERA5 Historical Nuttin there by that name.
Is this mission to be or is being developed by you and "hh"
Maybe lb is right.:salute:
 
Interesting, I didn't knew this fact, what is the name of this operation?

Any historical information is welcome thanks for this one.

But, there is a problem with the date or the airfield as in April 1945, Beauvais was into allied hands.

British army entered in Beauvais on august 30th 1944.
 
ETO_KG 51

Led/CFSimmers

KG 51 is in the ERA5 Training folder

Led, As always, you are correct and that is why I put a (?) on the homebase for the ME 410A.
The information I got reading "Pauke, Pauke -The WW2 German Nachtjagd Resource pages" listed the following:

"Three were the main operations undertaken by the Nachtjagd in the last months of war in a struggle to slow as much as possible the continuing bombing of Harris' People:
04.03.1945 - Operation Gisella
17.04.1945 - Pursuit
02.04.1944 - KG 51 Edelweiss day Pursuit
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Operation Gisella
"During the early morning darkness of 4 March 1945 a force of 450 Lancaster's, Halifax's and Mosquito raided Kamen and Ladbergen in western Germany. After completing their attacks for the loss of seven aircrafts, the bombers turned home. As they did so, a large force of German night fighters roared into the air and headed west in pursuit. This was Operation "Gisella", the long-planned intruder operation against Bomber Command bases. During previous weeks individual German night fighters had followed the bombers back to their bases, their crews with strict orders to note the enemy approach and landing procedures but on no account were they to engage.

Now the constraints were lifted and more than a hundred Junkers Ju 88 and Heinkel He 219 night fighters swept over the North Sea making for the Bomber Command airfields in Norfolk, Suffolk, Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. Twenty-seven of the bases came under attack as well as
the bombers returning from Germany. The intruders caught several planes on training flights. Twenty bombers were shot down over England, bringing Bomber Commandos total loss that night to 27 - the heaviest for a long time. German losses are not known, but were probably
between three and six aircrafts. From the Luftwaffe's viewpoint Operation Gisella was a success, but the operation would never be repeated on the same scale.

Trying to repeat the experience
Two weeks later, on the night of the 17 March, eighteen Junkers Ju 88's took off from Holland for a follow-up attack. But the RAF. bombers were not operating in force that night and the intruders shot down only one Lancaster that had been on a training flight. The action was of
historical significance, however, for it was to be the last offensive action by the Luftwaffe over Britain.
by Alfred Price

Edelweiss variations
On 2 April of the same year, following the example of Operation Gisella, a group of about fifteen Me 410 of KG 51 Edelweiss, based at Beauvais, France, made a similar opeation. The group of Zerstörers followed during daytime the bombers of 2nd Division USAAF back to their home bases in England. Short after the bombers landed, the Me 410s attacked destroying many B24s.
The only loss was Obl. Klaus Kruger, Klaus and Fw. Reichardt's plane (9K+HP, Wrk.Nr. 420458) shot down over Ashby by AA fire".

Note the day for the KG 51 mission; but then they mentioned "Edelweiss variations: On 2 April of the same year, following the example of Operation Gisella, a group of about fifteen Me 410 of KG 51 Edelweiss...".

Other sources mentioned 22/24 April 1944 when some B-24s fron the 2nd Division USAAF were attacked by ME 410 while landing on their return to England after their missions over Germany were completed. I could not find any more accurate information on the operation except that it could have been part of "Operation Steinbock"

Confusing, it is. I went with the 'Edelweiss variation" and I guess I was wrong. My apologies. I should have used 2 April 1944 or 22 April instead and the homebase Evreux (KG 51 Edelweiss 6.12.43 - 15.2 44) instead of Beauvais. At least the aircraft are correct, LOL.

If you make these changes; do not forget to place it in ETO ERA4.

HH used the info I provided him, so it is all my doing.

Led, thanks for keeping me honest.

God bless

PRang :-( :salute:
 
KG 51 Mission

Gentlemen

"To err is Human, To forgive is Divine"

I apologize for all the trouble I have caused; KG 51 mission is not in ETO 1.40.

I tried to remove all my "work-in-progress" missions from my "playing" ETO before I upgraded to 1.40; but, I thing I missed two or three missions. KG 51 was one of them.

I have awaken interest in the mission; so, I will try to modify it and make it more historically accurate and upload it as soon as possible.

I feel really bad for all the heartburns you guys had trying to find the mission that was not there. Time is precious and we all have wasted some, my apologies

Led, check your PM

God bless

PRang :kilroy:
 
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