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F1 2014: The Chinese GP.

Ferry_vO

Ferry_vO

Retired SOH Administrator
Hamilton on a roll in a wet qualifying session today..

PosNoDriverTeamQ1Q2Q3Laps
144Lewis HamiltonMercedes1:55.516 1:54.029 1:53.86021
23Daniel RicciardoRed Bull Racing-Renault1:56.641 1:55.302 1:54.45523
31Sebastian VettelRed Bull Racing-Renault1:55.926 1:54.499 1:54.96023
46Nico RosbergMercedes1:56.058 1:55.294 1:55.14322
514Fernando AlonsoFerrari1:56.961 1:55.765 1:55.63721
619Felipe MassaWilliams-Mercedes1:56.850 1:56.757 1:56.14724
777Valtteri BottasWilliams-Mercedes1:56.501 1:56.253 1:56.28224
827Nico HulkenbergForce India-Mercedes1:55.913 1:56.847 1:56.36623
925Jean-Eric VergneSTR-Renault1:57.477 1:56.584 1:56.77323
108Romain GrosjeanLotus-Renault1:58.411 1:56.407 1:57.07922
117Kimi RäikkönenFerrari1:58.279 1:56.86017
1222Jenson ButtonMcLaren-Mercedes1:57.783 1:56.96317
1326Daniil KvyatSTR-Renault1:57.261 1:57.28918
1499Adrian SutilSauber-Ferrari1:58.138 1:57.39317
1520Kevin MagnussenMcLaren-Mercedes1:57.369 1:57.67517
1611Sergio PerezForce India-Mercedes1:58.362 1:58.26417
1721Esteban GutierrezSauber-Ferrari1:58.98810
1810Kamui KobayashiCaterham-Renault1:59.26010
1917Jules BianchiMarussia-Ferrari1:59.32610
209Marcus EricssonCaterham-Renault2:00.64610
214Max ChiltonMarussia-Ferrari2:00.86510
DNQ13Pastor MaldonadoLotus-RenaultNo time0
Q1 107% Time2:03.602

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Note - Maldonado failed to make 107% requirement, so races at stewards' discretion. Drops 5 grid places as penalty for causing collision at previous round.
 
Well, I watched the race until 0400...flag to flag....:dizzy:
Great to see Daniel really sticking it to SeBRATien......:encouragement:

During the post race, the commentators stated that SeBRATien is great with huge amounts of downforce......

Looks like Vettel's going to have to learn mechanical grip to keep up with Daniel....

Great 1-2 with my two favorite drivers....:mixed-smiley-010:
 
Hey All,

Like Juan Pablo said in open wheel you just get in the best car and cruise to victory - no challenge - all the car. All we have here is a changing of the guard about who has the superior car.

Now how can you rule out Vettel not winning if they had actually run the whole race? Just sayin... :mixed-smiley-010:

-Ed-
 
EasyEd said:
Hey All,

Like Juan Pablo said in open wheel you just get in the best car and cruise to victory - no challenge - all the car. All we have here is a changing of the guard about who has the superior car.

Now how can you rule out Vettel not winning if they had actually run the whole race? Just sayin... :mixed-smiley-010:

-Ed-
Click to expand...

So here you go....

1) The reason why the F1 Manufacturers cup pays MASSIVE amounts of money is precisely due to the fact that F1 is about the car. A perfect example of this is the Ferrari Tifosi - they care about Ferrari winning and not who is driving the car.

But...

2) It's not all about the car - a perfect example of this is Daniel Ricciardo beating the pants off of Sebastien Vettel this year in the same car....

NASCAR and Indycar follow a more cookie cutter/template approach to the car and thus manufacturer input carries less weight

And there, you go! :mixed-smiley-010:
 
Hey All,

So all that matters is teammate battling teammate when team orders have mostly settled that issue. Sorry not impressed. That said I saw the race a week or two ago in which the owner said - just don't wreck each other (bring the cars home) - that IS how it should be - every race every week.

In this day and age racing of all kinds really has no rational basis being totally about the car anymore - liability and risk say so. If the rest of the world isn't there yet they will be.

And add to that the whole - why am I spending this money and getting nowhere thing. I would really like to see a history of F1 field sizes to see if what I suspect is true. Is there an identifiable list of F1 racing teams who could still exist but have quit F1? I do not know.

NASCAR has the same issue but keep the field at 43. Also they cannot let one manufacturer totally dominate all others.

-Ed-
 
Hey All,

Uh no For example I don't think there is an Australian supercar race in China. Real choice - track and teams.

-Ed-
 
A thought from another forum...
If Vettel had moved aside when first instructed, would Ricciardo have been on the podium?

Looks like some potential manufacturers points were lost due to Vettel's arrogance....
 
Hey All,

You simply miss the point. It isn't (should not be) about manufacturer points. Really simple. F1 can do what it likes but I don't see it as any kind of Premier series - just who has the most money and can influence the rules to favor their cars. Why cheer for that?

-Ed-
 
Hey All,

No I'm not missing the point(s). I'm saying that idea of racing is over - F1 can live in the past as long as they want. it was over sooner in the USA. Nobody is going around talledega faster than Bill Elliot did - not because the cars aren't faster - they are but because of other reasons.

-Ed-
 
Hey All,

Says it all for me. Ricciardo didn't beat Vettel so nobody can claim he is better when they can't race. A motorsport that is all about owners, orders and the car has zero credibility.

-Ed-
 
EasyEd said:
Hey All,

Uh no For example I don't think there is an Australian supercar race in China. Real choice - track and teams.

-Ed-
Click to expand...

The V8 Supercar Series have run in Shanghai (China), Pukekohoe (New Zealand), Austen (Texas), Yas Marina (Abu Dahabi) and Losail (Qatar) IIRC.
Unlike MASCAR ......... :173go1:
 
EasyEd said:
Hey All,

Says it all for me. Ricciardo didn't beat Vettel so nobody can claim he is better when they can't race. A motorsport that is all about owners, orders and the car has zero credibility.

-Ed-
Click to expand...

Ed, you've just described NASCAR! :biggrin-new:
 
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