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Absolute brilliant drive from Lewis, helped by a superior car. And great racing overall. Mercedes was lucky with the safety cars. Especially Valterri with the virtual one, which gave him third place.
But I never realised Toto Wolff was such an incredible whiner! He stated something about a broken gentlemen's agreement. I think he has forgotten how he behaved at the start of the season......

And Max had another "first time ever" again. He got a penalty for touching the car from another team...... Which we of course have seen happening many times before. But of course FIA had to keep the whiner satisfied.

Cheers,
Huub
 
Well, the international press (Marca, L'équipe amongst others) are also disgusted by the unsporting attitude of Verstappen and how he was ready to provoke a crash in lap 48 because he knew he was going to lose.

if this continues, Verstappen will get himself or someone else killed.

Priller
 
Well, the international press (Marca, L'équipe amongst others) are also disgusted by the unsporting attitude of Verstappen and how he was ready to provoke a crash in lap 48 because he knew he was going to lose.

if this continues, Verstappen will get himself or someone else killed.

Priller

Rubbish. Marca et L'équipe can go suck an egg. :teapot:
 
And so he should be. Car racing is not for the faint of heart. You don't win an F1 GP by handing out pink daisies.

It isn't for the faint of heart indeed, but trying to kill your opponent is over the top. It's a race, not a death match.

And above all, let's face it: Hamilton is by far the superior driver and Verstappen is reckless, dangerous to himself and his colleagues and a spoiled brat. Hamilton has a degree, Verstappen didn't even finish highschool.

Priller
 
Hi Priller,

Obviously you have a different opinion than the stewards who have looked at this incident and took their decision based all available information. Have you ever considered, that in an attempt to out brake Verstappen, Hamliton just couldn't make the curve as well? Although I often don't agree with the rules and penalties in Formula One, I don't have any reason to think I can judge a situation better than the stewards.

Not too long ago Hamilton knocked Verstappen out of Copse corner at a speed above 300kph. But that wasn't dangerous of course.

You have made your personal view on Hamilton and Verstappen very clear. But its not more than that. And just for your information, I know a lot of weird and often dangerous people with a degree. Remember it was Dr. Joseph Goebbels......

Cheers,
Huub
 
It isn't for the faint of heart indeed, but trying to kill your opponent is over the top. It's a race, not a death match.

And above all, let's face it: Hamilton is by far the superior driver and Verstappen is reckless, dangerous to himself and his colleagues and a spoiled brat. Hamilton has a degree, Verstappen didn't even finish highschool.

Priller

Uh-oh... You are from België, right ? I think you're just a jealous guy. Max living in België but being dutch. https://youtu.be/HhJqhMZODLI

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Yeah, I'm from Belgium, but jealousy has nothing to do with this matter. I actually find the attacks by you dutchies "ad hominem" quite funny. Oh, and if you need more ammo, I'm half English. :biggrin-new:

It's not about me, it's not about my nationality or that of Verstappen, it's about his dangerous attitude.

Have a nice evening!

Priller
 
I think part of the 'problem' (and you can also see it in NASCAR and Indycar) is that the cars are so "safe" at speeds, that drivers are doing things that we would not have seen in the 90s and earlier....Add to that, F1 rules becoming a bit more draconian (read='spec series) each year that teams and drivers tempers are shortening....
 
I actually find the attacks by you dutchies "ad hominem" quite funny.

Ahem.....and who started this attacking ad hominem in the first place ? Let me remind you : "Hamilton is by far the superior driver and Verstappen is reckless, dangerous to himself and his colleagues and a spoiled brat. Hamilton has a degree, Verstappen didn't even finish highschool"..... I rest my case.

It's not about me, it's not about my nationality or that of Verstappen, it's about his dangerous attitude.

Yes, but my dear Belgium/English friend, F1 sports has written danger all over it. It is the mere meaning of the sport, it's why it still exists and draws millions of spectators all over the world with each and every GP event year in year out. Accusing an F1 driver of being dangerous is like accusing the pope of being catholic.

What do you want Max Verstappen to do then ? Drive ever so willingly, compliantly and well-disposed behind Lewis all the time ??.. That's not what racing is about, you know that, don't you. Lewis is the best outthere so if you specifically want to be better, get in front of him, which is what it's all about, isn't it, you'll be getting into danger zone if you like it or not.

Actually i don't know much about contemporary F1 GP, i LOVED F1 GP during the 60's. Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Phil Hill, Jack Brabham, et all, are my heros. As soon as they started putting wings and barn doors on the cars i totally lost interest. It's the cars i am attracted to, not so much the race itself. Mostly during the 70's i thought the F1 cars looked hidious, extremely ugly lawn mowers. Today it's much better, i do like the looks of them again (allthough they practically look all the same, kinda boring) particularly since 'the Halo' has been introduced but nothing goes above a Lotus 49 or 1966 Ferrari 312.

Have a nice evening!

U2
 
It was there for all to see. Verstappen is a dangerous person.

No more 'dangerous' than the rest of the grid Jan.
I've pretty well given up on EffWun and most of the current field.
Let's face it, the two 'Greats' who did run others off the road and started to legitimise the moves were Senna and Schumacher, while the present over emphasis on 'safety' allows any tactic along those lines.
I couldn't be arsed about watching the latest drama but I'd class what I've come across as a 'robust defense'..........................very much like my old days in FF1600.
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Is that a good or a bad thing ?....

(i know he's the Mercedes team boss but that's about it...;-)

Toto Wolff suffers from the "Calimero syndrome"....... (As I don't know whether that is a global understood description: "Calimero syndrome" = the whole big world outside is all against me......). And Toto Wolff is currently more power in Formula One than Bernie Ecclestone ever was. He has shares in about everything involved in Formula One.

And Jan, sorry when you feel attacked by me, but I just tried to explain to you that your personal opinion was not shared by the professionals (stewards). Which is just an observation and not an attack.

The same is valid for your statement about "education". As said, I know a lot of people (often with multiple degrees) who know everything about nothing (what they call specific knowledge), but who don't know anything about real life (what I would call general knowledge). A degree just confirms that you have finished a specific study, but doesn't say anything about the talents or character of the person. Josef Mengele had several degrees, but I don't see him as a "good" person nor as a "great" racing driver.

Cheers,
Huub
 
Toto Wolff suffers from the "Calimero syndrome"....... (As I don't know whether that is a global understood description: "Calimero syndrome" = the whole big world outside is all against me......). And Toto Wolff is currently has more power in Formula One than Bernie Ecclestone ever had. He has shares in about everything involved in Formula One.

And Jan, sorry when you feel attacked by me, but I just tried to explain to you that your personal opinion was not shared by the professionals (stewards). Which is just an observation and not an attack.

The same is valid for your statement about "education". As said, I know a lot of people (often with multiple degrees) who know everything about nothing (what they call specific knowledge), but who don't know anything about real life (what I would call general knowledge). A degree just confirms that you have finished a specific study, but doesn't say anything about the talents or character of the person. Josef Mengele had several degrees, but I don't see him as a "good" person nor as a "great" racing driver.

Cheers,
Huub

Hé Huub,

I feel a famous movie quote coming on: "You talking to me ?? Are you talking to me ??..."

I don't feel like Calimero ( "Ik is klein en jullie zijn groot" , toch ?..) at all. And i don't feel attacked at all, and haven't said anything about education at all. Looks to me like you're mixing me up with Priller .... ??

And about ' education versus real life' i know all about that because i am the biggest fan of "The Big Bang Theory". A brilliant comedy show that has been build around that very subject. Phd scientists Sheldon, Leonard and Rah (not Howard, he's just an engineer with an MIT education), learn about normal life from their down to earth neighbour Penny who is adorable. Got the DVD box for my birthday a couple years ago and eversince watch a few episodes each day during lunch after i walked the dog. Whenever my dog here's the end tune he runs to the kitchen because he knows he'll get his lunch too. ;-)

So, my guess is, Huub, you should be talking to Priller, not to me, mate. ;-)
 
In today's world, I often think that having no degree is an advantage. "Degreed" people are often totally out of touch with reality and simply cannot function in it. Ultra left wing universities discriminate against all those who do not vomit up their professors' beliefs.
 
Priller, you're an obvious Hamilton fan and that's okay. He is a great driver. But if you think Max is a dangerous driver, then Lewis should be in jail for attempted murder at Silverstone. And if LH wins the championship, to me it will be a tainted victory. I'm obviously also biased, but I think Max/Red Bull deserve the title(s) more than Lewis/Mercedes. And even though Max got booed by the Brazilian audience, how many times has Lewis been booed this season?
 
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