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Willy said:
Ed, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're heading the wrong way!
Willy
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Yea, not surprising. In that case, I will simply backtrack to Brindisi and find a suitable route down through Greece, Turkey and into Iraq that way.

The good thing is that after the first days fiasco with the comet, I decided that being a competitive racer wasn't what I was going to accomplish, as I don't have the piloting expertise to go head to head with the pro's, but that I would simply fly the course (and I assumed I was) and get to Melbourne without losing too many aircraft (I've already crashed two).

Today is a new day. . .how much worse could it get? hmmmm, one can only wonder, lol.
 
Hi Ed,

Last night the Committee agreed to offer you an alternative to backtracking. You may "magically" jump back to Brindisi and take off from there. The penalty is either:

(1) A 30 minute penalty for "administrative costs", OR
(2) You buy the Committee a free round of virtual beers!

We suggest the second option. ;)

(Sorry, we were not able to get back to you last night as the forum was down.)
 
epwatson said:
Hey, I just happened to notice you didn't post a duenna for the flight LIBD - LIBR.. Do you have it by chance?
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Ah, and therein lies the rub. . . .I never flew a leg from LIBD to LIBR. I flew from LIRA to LIBR, ran out of fuel 40nm from LIBR and crashed (I posted a duenna for that part), then restarted at the closest airport to the crash site and continued on to LIBR (and posted a duenna for that part).

In one of the PDF files (don't have it open right now), under section 2: "The Route", there is a list of airports, which I wrongly assumed was the prescribed route for the race, since I could find no other list (except the 23 segment list that was posted and turned out to be one from last year). Anyway, LIBD is not on that list. . .so where did LIBD come in and was there ever an "official" list of the airports?

Now you see why I decided to simply fly my way to Melbourne outside of the competitive form of a race.
 
Ed

This thread has the official rules in it. See the zip file at the bottom.

When you drop into Team Speak again ask Rob (srgalahad), John, Austin or possibly any of the other guys for any insite.

Myself I will not be able to get on until real late tonight or tomorrow.

We will get you pointed in the right direction. :applause:

The rules are slightly different for the Golden Age class and the Modern Class.
 
Ahh I forgot, the GA has no restrictions where you can refuel, but you MUST stop at the mandatory stops, with an intermediate stop at least 200 miles away from a checkpoint (IIRC).

<edit> I deleted the post with all the stops on it to avoid confusion. Just follow along with DD says, he's a 'better than average' planner, and knows whats he's talking about.

;)
 
MaddogK said:
I hope this helps: pulled from the rules document pages 4 and 5 in the race packet posted in the stickeys section
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Ok, My apologies to Mr Watson. LIBD was the airport I picked up from and flew the last 45 or 50nm to LIBR after the crash. I should have that duenna and will post it directly.

My inability to get a handle on this has become very irritating.

I won't participate in anything like this again, unless I start months in advance reading every page of every document posted leading up to the event so that I'm sure I've seen and read everything related to the event no matter how insignificant I might think it is. . . .and then spend hours flying the aircraft of choice until I know every system, how it functions, what possible malfunctions could occur and how to correct them before they happen.
 
heh, You should heard some of the 'dumb' things I said/questioned my first race. I learned quickly to **** first, then follow in silence till I got a handle on things.

Just remember: there are NO dumb questions, there's only dumb answers.
 
Ah there is the problem

Only the airports that marked with *** are compulsory stops (for both the Golden Age and Modern Age)

Those are the only ones you must stop at.

The others basically use as they fit in your plan (Golden Age only).

So your basic plan would be to set up a route from EGUN to Each Compulsory Stop then YMEN.

For both the Golden Age and the Modern Age you must stop at one other airport (Golden Age on the list) (Modern Age any airport) at least 200 nm from each compulsory Pair until Darwin.

So your route would be

EGUN - [ORBS] [ORBI-FSX]

[ORBS] [ORBI-FSX] - {additional stop 200nm from first and last} - [VIAL]

[VIAL] - {additional stop 200nm from first and last} - [WSSL]

[WSSL] - {additional stop 200nm from first and last} - [YPDN] Darwin

[YPDN] - [YBCV]

[YBCV] - [YMEN]

The only time you would stop between YPDN and YBCV is if your aircraft is range limited. In the Golden Age you would need to stop at a prepared fueling stop.

In the Modern Age you can stop anywhere and refuel.

Under either set of rules you will not use all the airports on the list.

Part of the race is to pick the plane you would use and plane the route around that plane.

In my own opinion the route planning needs to carry heavier weight in these events.

There is also a Navigation element

Golden Age is NDB and Dead Reconing with limited Auto Pilot use. Altitude hold and heading preferably.

Modern age is any form of navigation
 
Ed,
Sweat not the small stuff ( and it's all small stuff). For the first-timers it's more about learning the ropes than beating every rule. Those of us who do this regularly often bring along a bank of lawyers, a couple of ballistic engineers, 3 or 4 tacticians and a bevy of cute assistants (you should see the budget!).

As you go along you'll find yourself sorting it out, and the rest will toss in the 2 cents worth to help. Goal #1 - Fly Safely. After that it's mostly learning the important rules first then asking for clarification. We may not give away secrets but we do coach (and know who NOT to tell).

Even though it's a race the MacR is NOT 'serious' for most of us. Now just wait until the RTWR.... :kilroy:

BTW, you're doing pretty darn good for a newbie and by Feb. we'll have you well-indoctrinated :icon_lol:

Carry on!

Rob
 
Headed for Baghdad. One note for the judges. Despite what the Duenna says, I am, in fact, running real weather with all settings correct. On startup, I still get a yellow for the weather. I have checked and rechecked my settings, restarted the sim several times, but the duenna continues to say I am not running real world weather.

Just so ya know. . .it's lying!
 
Ed, you're fine.

The Duenna has trouble with FSX and real weather. (There are ways to get around this, but don't worry at all.) Note that you have a "yellow" caution rather than a "red" code.

No worries...
 
Hey All,

Ed in addition to all that Dave listed as rules note the following quote from MM in the rules thread.

Modern Age pilots may not land in Russia (or in the former Soviet Republics)--nor may they land in Afghanistan. They may land at only two airports (Bushere and Jask) in Iran. Otherwise, a penalty.

Note that you may fly over Russian, Iranian, and Afghan airspace...but you may not land (with the noted exceptions).
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So you can't land anywhere there are some restrictions.

-Ed- A card carrying member of Eds helping Eds
 
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