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Flying Supersonic. Tu-144 'Charger' v3.5
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SH427
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Sean, or anyone who HAS flown this addon,
I'm having a devil of a time starting the engines. I can get the APU running, the bleed air configured, everything, but when I press the start button, the engine spools up and the number TWO needle jumps and then the number ONE needle (on the FE Panel) starts to creep up. the #2 needle hits 100, and the #1 creeps up to about 20-23% and hangs until the starter disengages. apparently I'm missing something, there's fuel, and everything else is good to go. What am I doing wrong?
PS. I reconfigured the Aircraft.CFG by removing the 3,4,5,6 stations, as for some crazy reason, I could not get the weight to go away and the a/c was doing backflips on the tarmac. But after deleting the stations, which are supposed to be empty anyway, it sits just fine. However, now she loads with no fuel. Even though I'm able to load it in when the sim starts, does that make a difference?
EDIT: She now loads with fuel, so thats not the problem
I'm having a devil of a time starting the engines. I can get the APU running, the bleed air configured, everything, but when I press the start button, the engine spools up and the number TWO needle jumps and then the number ONE needle (on the FE Panel) starts to creep up. the #2 needle hits 100, and the #1 creeps up to about 20-23% and hangs until the starter disengages. apparently I'm missing something, there's fuel, and everything else is good to go. What am I doing wrong?
PS. I reconfigured the Aircraft.CFG by removing the 3,4,5,6 stations, as for some crazy reason, I could not get the weight to go away and the a/c was doing backflips on the tarmac. But after deleting the stations, which are supposed to be empty anyway, it sits just fine. However, now she loads with no fuel. Even though I'm able to load it in when the sim starts, does that make a difference?
EDIT: She now loads with fuel, so thats not the problem
SH427,
Can you post a screen of your engineer's panel please?
I suspect the following;
1. Engine stop levers not pushed forward. Look in the far lower left corner of the engineers panel for the white and green levers.
2. Fuel flow control switches protected under covered panel near upper right(ish) of panel not flipped.
I may be able to narrow it down further with a picture.
When on the engine start sub-panel, does the green light turn on before hitting the starter, or does it stay red?
I won't be able to attend to this tomorrow exempt possibly in the very late evening my time, just FYI.
Also, are you loading the aircraft from the main fsx free flight menu, or are you switching to it from something else during your flight session? Should be loading fresh from the fsx menu right after you start up fsx before going into any actual flight scenarios.
Can you post a screen of your engineer's panel please?
I suspect the following;
1. Engine stop levers not pushed forward. Look in the far lower left corner of the engineers panel for the white and green levers.
2. Fuel flow control switches protected under covered panel near upper right(ish) of panel not flipped.
I may be able to narrow it down further with a picture.
When on the engine start sub-panel, does the green light turn on before hitting the starter, or does it stay red?
I won't be able to attend to this tomorrow exempt possibly in the very late evening my time, just FYI.
Also, are you loading the aircraft from the main fsx free flight menu, or are you switching to it from something else during your flight session? Should be loading fresh from the fsx menu right after you start up fsx before going into any actual flight scenarios.
SH427
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1.The levers are pushed forward. I have the checklist printed out and I follow it to the number.
2.All 8 switches are flipped.
As far as I can tell the panel is all set. Engine 1 is starting, and that is the hang start I was talking about. it sits there without moving and then just shuts down. I've only had one engine start at all and I've tried this at least 10 times.
I'm loading from the main FSX menu and not bringing the aircraft up from inside the sim
2.All 8 switches are flipped.
As far as I can tell the panel is all set. Engine 1 is starting, and that is the hang start I was talking about. it sits there without moving and then just shuts down. I've only had one engine start at all and I've tried this at least 10 times.
I'm loading from the main FSX menu and not bringing the aircraft up from inside the sim
ce_zeta
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Its strange...Like the real aircraft, this bird sometimes suffer system failures...The BCY of my Tu-144 sometimes doesnt start (Bleed air fail)...Its a mistery.
All pneumatic system ok?
Now....the wobbling and tipping appear again....When i move the throttle...I could taxiing with the Charger but when i move the throttle to take off...
hahaha
P.S. The wobbling appear again due to a wrong configuration of the fuel system ( you can check the CdG in Gauge E43).
I made my first take off and landing
All pneumatic system ok?
Now....the wobbling and tipping appear again....When i move the throttle...I could taxiing with the Charger but when i move the throttle to take off...
hahaha
P.S. The wobbling appear again due to a wrong configuration of the fuel system ( you can check the CdG in Gauge E43).
I made my first take off and landing
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ce_zeta
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It is a native for FSX.
The 3D model looks fantastic. This model have not the same level of detail of Tu-154, but have nice things. For example pushback, stairs, you can open the cockpit windows. This model have the first working cockpit fans (it works with right click when you hover with the mouse in the fan).
But only is good modeled the captain and first officer Cockpit, the engineer panel only work in 2D panel.
P.S. Before the last flight of the day...simply one word: Amazing.
Thank you very much Sean!!!!!
Now I can start to learn how to navigate with this beast.
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Slew?
I mistakenly said the model might be the Ruth model. It isn't. It is a FSX model by SamDim and company. Sorry about that.
That flap/wing droop in the pic tells me that PERHAPS the engines are not running. Are you saying the picture shows it after you took off and are FLYING it? Or did you slew it up in the air to take the picture? Sorry, but I have to ask. Perhaps you solve all the problems and can now fly it? It would be nice to know if you did.
Chuck B
Napamule
I mistakenly said the model might be the Ruth model. It isn't. It is a FSX model by SamDim and company. Sorry about that.
That flap/wing droop in the pic tells me that PERHAPS the engines are not running. Are you saying the picture shows it after you took off and are FLYING it? Or did you slew it up in the air to take the picture? Sorry, but I have to ask. Perhaps you solve all the problems and can now fly it? It would be nice to know if you did.
Chuck B
Napamule
This aircraft, like the Concorde, has what's called "elevons", which automatically droop at lower airspeeds while in flight.
Ce_zeta has already made it clear earlier in this thread that he has been able to successfully fly this aircraft after following the guidance provided to him.
Ce_zeta has already made it clear earlier in this thread that he has been able to successfully fly this aircraft after following the guidance provided to him.
SH427
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I'm still getting no luck starting the engines.
I tried uninstalling the addon, as well as the gauges I trusted from the FSX.cfg, then reinstalling it.
When I pulled it up in the menu I loaded it with 70% Fuel and emptied 3,4,5,6 stations. When it loaded it started flipping backwards on the runway. after I unloaded 3-6, it acted fine, but after it didn't start again I unloaded it and reloaded it from the menu, and it started doing the backflips with zero fuel.
I've deleted the stations before and that stops the behaviour.
The only corrupting factor I can think of now is the semi cold and dark setup I start in. I'll load up the a/c and set it up to be C&D, then save it as default and go from there.
EDIT: setting it as default seems to have done it. I'll try again though. I think I'm still getting the Mach tuck because around 670kias the a/c goes into a dive and will not recover.
I tried uninstalling the addon, as well as the gauges I trusted from the FSX.cfg, then reinstalling it.
When I pulled it up in the menu I loaded it with 70% Fuel and emptied 3,4,5,6 stations. When it loaded it started flipping backwards on the runway. after I unloaded 3-6, it acted fine, but after it didn't start again I unloaded it and reloaded it from the menu, and it started doing the backflips with zero fuel.
I've deleted the stations before and that stops the behaviour.
The only corrupting factor I can think of now is the semi cold and dark setup I start in. I'll load up the a/c and set it up to be C&D, then save it as default and go from there.
EDIT: setting it as default seems to have done it. I'll try again though. I think I'm still getting the Mach tuck because around 670kias the a/c goes into a dive and will not recover.
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ce_zeta
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Videos from Nikita Konstantinov.
Take Off and climb
SH427
Watch gauge E43....The needle need to be inside the yellow arrows. This complex fuel system and his moving CdG is the root of the wobbling.
The CdG (CAX in russian) of the Charger change with the speed.
P.S. I still suffer the APU Bug...sometimes doesnt work. I need reload FSX and works.
Take Off and climb
SH427
Watch gauge E43....The needle need to be inside the yellow arrows. This complex fuel system and his moving CdG is the root of the wobbling.
The CdG (CAX in russian) of the Charger change with the speed.
P.S. I still suffer the APU Bug...sometimes doesnt work. I need reload FSX and works.
TeiscoDelRay
Life Time CM
Does this come with a translated cockpit?
Bjoern
worst developer ever
Different model then, I see.
What I do to ensure it loads properly is the following:
1. My fsx default flight is a cold/dark Cessna 172 at an airport. With that being said, fsx also loads into the main free flight menu rather than the actual flight session as well.
2. Immediately when the fsx menu loads, I select the Tu-144 in the selection window.
3. I then adjust fuel and payload.
4. Following this, I do all the flightplan and weather stuff, then start the flight.
5. This aircraft MUST be initialized in the 2D cockpit first. There is a setting in FSX to start with the 2d or VC view as default.
6. Your joystick should also be disabled in FSX itself as well.
Take note if the startup video I posted I believe in my first response to this thread. That may help too.
Doing the above, I have never encountered APU or other issues.
Also, remember to download those gauge updates I linked in my first post. You can minimize the nose down tendency when crossing Mach 1 (which is still somewhat present but is easily manageable following patch implementation) through the use of nose-up trim, and through following the ascent/decent path guidance given on the chart/graph looking gauge in the cockpit. Just align your current airspeed (yellow triangle) with the recommended line, which moves depending on your altitude. X axis is airspeed, Y is altitude in meters.
1. My fsx default flight is a cold/dark Cessna 172 at an airport. With that being said, fsx also loads into the main free flight menu rather than the actual flight session as well.
2. Immediately when the fsx menu loads, I select the Tu-144 in the selection window.
3. I then adjust fuel and payload.
4. Following this, I do all the flightplan and weather stuff, then start the flight.
5. This aircraft MUST be initialized in the 2D cockpit first. There is a setting in FSX to start with the 2d or VC view as default.
6. Your joystick should also be disabled in FSX itself as well.
Take note if the startup video I posted I believe in my first response to this thread. That may help too.
Doing the above, I have never encountered APU or other issues.
Also, remember to download those gauge updates I linked in my first post. You can minimize the nose down tendency when crossing Mach 1 (which is still somewhat present but is easily manageable following patch implementation) through the use of nose-up trim, and through following the ascent/decent path guidance given on the chart/graph looking gauge in the cockpit. Just align your current airspeed (yellow triangle) with the recommended line, which moves depending on your altitude. X axis is airspeed, Y is altitude in meters.
ce_zeta
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And for complete the info from Sean, we can read the NASA report titled: A Qualitative Piloted Evaluation of the Tupolev Tu-144 Supersonic Transport (pdf).