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Of course that is just opinion but myself I don't believe anything is that simple when you make these types of decisions at the Corporate level.
As far as joining Just Flight just to get this aircraft and giving them your credit card number? No thanks that is a bad idea.
I have had all of my cards changed 3 times in the last 2 years because somebody got hacked and stole the information.
My bank and your bank if it happened to you can not tell me who got compromised as they are never told. All they can tell me is the credit card processing company was informed by one of their retailers that they had a possible breech.
The lesson learned is give as few people as possible your credit card numbers. Yeah if it gets used when its been stolen you get the charges take off but its still a hassle.
So if you are a Just Flight Customer Great get the Hurricane. If you want to be a Just Flight Customer (they certainly are a reputable company) Great get the Hurricane. Other than that do you really need the Hurricane?
As far as joining Just Flight just to get this aircraft and giving them your credit card number? No thanks that is a bad idea.
I have had all of my cards changed 3 times in the last 2 years because somebody got hacked and stole the information.
My bank and your bank if it happened to you can not tell me who got compromised as they are never told. All they can tell me is the credit card processing company was informed by one of their retailers that they had a possible breech.
The lesson learned is give as few people as possible your credit card numbers. Yeah if it gets used when its been stolen you get the charges take off but its still a hassle.
So if you are a Just Flight Customer Great get the Hurricane. If you want to be a Just Flight Customer (they certainly are a reputable company) Great get the Hurricane. Other than that do you really need the Hurricane?
falcon409
SOH-CM-2026
I agree Pam. I've never had a Hurricane before (Spitfires and P-51's) and this one was a lot of fun to fly. Not as speedy as I expected, but then I know absolutely nothing about the airplane, sooooo, lol. I spent about 20 minutes doing fly-by's just to listen to the engine sounds, lol. Landing this one was easier than I expected also. I generally don't like tail draggers because you lose forward vision as you settle down and also taxiing. I stay firmly in the VC during flights to include takeoff and landing and sometimes I have to go to external view to taxi with this type of airplane. Anyway, landing was a snap. Assuming the aircraft FDE is close, I was over the numbers at 85kts and settled onto the runway at 65kts, it didn't even bounce. Perfect 3 point landing on the first try. It's a keeper.:salute:she's beautiful, and quite a nice plane to fly as well.. Thank you Just Flight..
Pam
Kowalski65
Charter Member
When I registered there was an option for your CC details NOT to be remembered by them, so assuming the detaisl are taken off the database after the Hurricane is "bought" (and I see no reason why JF would not do that) CC details would be safe
big-mike
SOH-CM-2022
I copied the sound from this one over to the JF one.
http://www.flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=123360
Much better sound imho.
Michael
http://www.flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=123360
Much better sound imho.
Michael
You are exactly right. You should NOT have to furnish credit card data if you are downloading a FREE item as a result of giving them the answers to a survey that they set forth.
I did the survey and then, like so many others, the "Account Creation" process started wherein they want to add you to their Customer List and collect all the personal data. I just left the Just Flight site after this came up and I won't touch them. I did not need this.
TeaSea
SOH-CM-2014
Your call obviously.
However, the transaction takes place at the end of the process. Their system does not know you have a credit until you tell it you do. Up to that point, it considers this a normal purchase.
No hidden agenda, no space aliens, no conspiracy for world domination. Simple transaction software, like 99.9% of online commerce Takes place under an SSL protocol with hashed information. All nice and tidy.
But, if you feel uncomfortable...then pass.
Yes. All they have to do is ask you FIRST "Enter applicable coupon code". Then, after you enter the code, the software could skip asking for a credit/debit/whatever card info. No need to really ask for the numbers first if the software has been programmed correctly.
A shot in the dark, but the system is very naive. I used an expired pre-paid debit card that had zero funds (2010) from an old address, it was accepted and download was received.
That should make all you others with legit cards a bit uncomfortable. It would me. I always use Paypal, or nothing gets purchased. Especially in todays times.
That should make all you others with legit cards a bit uncomfortable. It would me. I always use Paypal, or nothing gets purchased. Especially in todays times.
No, the JF-system is not "naive". You are not making an actual purchase, so it doesn't go through the verification process with your credit-/debit card company as it normally would. Otherwise the servers of the credit card companies would get hit with requests for a charge of nil against the card, but costs would still be made to verify the transaction. There would be little point in doing that, now would it? Buying with JF is just as (un)safe as any other online transaction.
Sorry to throw a wet blanket on the conspiracy theories but the simple and perhaps more boring reality of the situation is that we have been kicking ideas around for a while now about various Smartphone-based projects and wanted to get feedback from the FS community about several questions/issues related to this area.
As people have quite rightly pointed out, you don't get anything for free so we assumed that people weren't going to take time out of their day to answer a survey for nothing so we decided to give away something in return. We had several ideas such as giving away free Reward Points, but that is only attractive for people who are already registered with us and we wanted to get responses from a wider audience than that. The only thing we could come up with that was universally appealing was a free aircraft for FSX. The easiest way to do that without spending a load of time creating a new version of the product was to give out a discount code for people to claim one for free.
I'm not going to lie and say that we hold no hopes that some people who try the Hurricane will like it and perhaps think about purchasing from us in the future. If that happens then great, if not then no problem, nobody is under any obligation and we have some helpful information from the survey which was our objective.
I've been doing lots of soul-searching this weekend after finding out that we can't even give our aircraft away (to some people at least) :-^
Quick note about credit card details - yes you do need to enter them to create an account as this is a requirement of our shopping cart software (it wasn't designed for giving away free products). All details are protected under the most secure protocols used for internet based transactions, we are every bit as safe as purchasing from Amazon or Apple etc. Card details are not held by us, but rather in an encrypted database held by our card processor. Even if we wanted to we couldn't see your card details.
I did the survey and got my free Hurricane..Im just not big fan of the Hurricane as a plane but been a warbird nut its nice to have this nice Hurricane in the Hangar.
Since JF gave away this Hurricane and I got another aircraft from them for free (a screenshot prize) I feel rather obliged to give something back so Im getting my next aircraft from JF (its available eslewhere but JF gets my money) when flight sim funds free up.
:salute:
Since JF gave away this Hurricane and I got another aircraft from them for free (a screenshot prize) I feel rather obliged to give something back so Im getting my next aircraft from JF (its available eslewhere but JF gets my money) when flight sim funds free up.
:salute:
I'm sure that there are others like myself who would have been glad to grab you plane for free but don't own a Smart Phone. It seemed unethical to fill out the survey just to get a plane by making up answers.
Dave
Thanks very much to JustFlight! I filled out the survey and downloaded the Hurricane. It is a wonderful model of an aircraft I probably wouldn't have bought, but is fun to compare to the Spitfire & P-40.
I was already registered at JustFlight, but even so I'm a bit surprised at all the mistrust. People are leery of entering their data on a well established flightsim site with no past hacking issues, but would seem to have no problem with downloading a free exe file from the same site if they could skip the data entry. Exe's can contain all sorts of nastiness that may not necessarily be picked up by an antivirus program. If a site is or could be hacked to steal your data, why trust an exe file from the same site?
I was already registered at JustFlight, but even so I'm a bit surprised at all the mistrust. People are leery of entering their data on a well established flightsim site with no past hacking issues, but would seem to have no problem with downloading a free exe file from the same site if they could skip the data entry. Exe's can contain all sorts of nastiness that may not necessarily be picked up by an antivirus program. If a site is or could be hacked to steal your data, why trust an exe file from the same site?
I have a different problem. I don't own a Smart Phone and just assumed I didn't qualify for the survey response prize - so I didn't answer the survey. Am I correct?
warchild
Charter Member
Sorry Stan, but no.. Not correct.. I dont own a smart phone ( dont even own a regular phone ) and i have zero intention of ever buying one. I told them so in the survey.. Theres a very nicely done Hawker Hurricane sitting in my hangar at this moment, that wasnt there before..