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From Russia With(out) Love

It was my understanding that the USSR never junked old aircraft but kept them in storage in case a war started. This may also be "the reserve" that is no longer needed and ready to be scrapped.

In any case, it is sad to see so many beautiful airplanes being scrapped. Whenever I go to AMARC I feel the same way about ours.
 
As was noted above, these aircraft were being scrapped to meet treaty obligations.

I've spent many hours looking at the cold war soviet air bases on google earth, and most of them don't have much in the way of hardware lying around unless the base is in the middle of nowhere. The Russian navy, on the other hand is a completely different story.
 
As was noted above, these aircraft were being scrapped to meet treaty obligations.

I've spent many hours looking at the cold war soviet air bases on google earth, and most of them don't have much in the way of hardware lying around unless the base is in the middle of nowhere. The Russian navy, on the other hand is a completely different story.

Some of the Naval ports like Severomorsk (Murmanskaya oblast) make you take a step away!
Actually more like high speed sprint.
In particular the number of Frigates, Destroyers and Submarines (some Nuclear powered) sitting on their keels and rusting away is an interesting display of Nuclear powered ecological destruction waiting to happen.
:toilet:
 
I'm still puzzled about that An-8 got into the bush. The trees look to big to have grow up all around it ???
I think the first pic of the trees from behind the tail shows a bit of unententional perspective trickery. The second one from a closer vantage point shows only a few rather thin trees - barely beyond saplings. Depending on what kind of trees they are, they could easily be less than ten years old. A local demolition and salvage outfit bought a piece of land near my home just a few years ago with the intention of starting a construction material landfill (scrap concrete and such). They started clearing the land before getting the land rezoned, and ended up losing their bid to get the rezoning. It's been less than ten years now, and nature has reclaimed the land to the extent that you can't tell it was cleared unless you know about the tall pines that used to be there. Other trees have grown in their place and are nearly as tall as the pines were. So what all of this long-winded post is trying to say is "Don't underestimate Mother Nature!" :jump:
 
I'll do a general statement now. I am frankly sick and tired to have the forum police squad break through the house door as soon as we are having some discussions which go a little deeper. Nobody here went personal on anyone. Every post is extremely polite and well mannered. Yet we are treated as if we are kids in a kindergarden. But Ken and I, and others, are grown ups. This is not the Disney channel, this is a flight sim forum, and a military flight sim forum as well. Military aviation and politics and history will always share common grounds and therefor discussions. As long as it is polite and friendly it is absurd and childish to ban this part of the discussion, and this was the case here.
My two cents -- do what you like with it.
 
Sigh. ANYHOO....

Did anyone else click on the other links off of those pages for other interesting ruins in Russia? Old coastal defenses, castles... lots of cool stuff.
 
But no historical study of the fall of the Soviet Union supports that thesis. A myth, I am afraid.

Really. Where is your historical evidence to support your thesis? Just curious, I'm a student of Russian history and the cold war, I lived it also. I'm always looking for good books on the subject, not wiki-whatever.
 
I'll do a general statement now. I am frankly sick and tired to have the forum police squad break through the house door as soon as we are having some discussions which go a little deeper. Nobody here went personal on anyone. Every post is extremely polite and well mannered. Yet we are treated as if we are kids in a kindergarden. But Ken and I, and others, are grown ups. This is not the Disney channel, this is a flight sim forum, and a military flight sim forum as well. Military aviation and politics and history will always share common grounds and therefor discussions. As long as it is polite and friendly it is absurd and childish to ban this part of the discussion, and this was the case here.
My two cents -- do what you like with it.
ok thanks i will
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I'll do a general statement now. I am frankly sick and tired to have the forum police squad break through the house door as soon as we are having some discussions which go a little deeper. Nobody here went personal on anyone. Every post is extremely polite and well mannered. Yet we are treated as if we are kids in a kindergarden. But Ken and I, and others, are grown ups. This is not the Disney channel, this is a flight sim forum, and a military flight sim forum as well. Military aviation and politics and history will always share common grounds and therefor discussions. As long as it is polite and friendly it is absurd and childish to ban this part of the discussion, and this was the case here.
My two cents -- do what you like with it.

There are other forums if you are not happy with this one.
 
The Russians recently scrapped some thousands of armored vehicles they had in "storage",translation rotting quietly away.So their tank force is a shadow of what it used to be,later today if I get time I will post a link with the figures.:d
 
Really, "cakewalk through France and Italy" ?? I guess you were absent lots during history class or you're intentionally being provocative. Either way, that's a bit disrespectful don't you think?
 
Oh, sure. . . why not. Their performance with civilians in Berlin and other German cities was certainly commendable.
 
booooooooo lame thread.
we wanna see more rotting away migs...
not dudes and dudettes slapping each other, throwing around buckets of acid comments.
*bored*:wavey:
 
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Seriously. Can we all get a long?
 
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