FSX Native AVRO PWS-18 Uploaded!...
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Motormouse
SOH-CM-2025
Dragontech
New member
That bit of carburetor realism is the sort of thing I like to see in a sim. If the real plane can't do it, I don't want the sim to do it. Likewise, if the plane CAN, I want the sim able as well. Realistic flight, realistic looks, clickable cockpit. I've many planes like that. Now if only I could make the WORLD in FSX look real......
magoo
SOH-CM-2013
The Avro Tutor had an aerobatic float setup. Witness the countless images popping up in old aviation magazines from the 'thirties showing RAF stunt teams doing their upside-down thing in our favorite Anglo Avros. (Get a hold of Nigel's Tudor pack and try it out. You can fly inverted until all the blood goes to your head and you pass out. Have crash detection turned off.....)
The Poles bought two Avro Tudors, and a license to manufacture.
The PWS establishment then went through the design and altered as much of it as they could to speed up the assembly line.
The Avro series were steel tube construction throughout, with steel tube spars, wooden stringers to fasten the cloth.
PWS changed the wings to wood, altered the wing tips from square to round ( easier in wood?), deleted the leading edge slats, and sourced a domestic radial engine, a license built Wright J-5 from either Avia or Polskie Zakłady Skody.
As Poland was feeling the thumping-boot foreign policy squeeze between Fascist Germany and the Soviet Union, they were building up their airforce as quickly as possible with massively limited resources.
The term, "quick and dirty" comes to mind. Right out of the factory, throw that plane right up into the air. If it flies, it's yours......if it doesn't....it never was......
Whether or not the PWS-18 carburetor was set up to fly inverted could be a good pub debate. My decision was against that, again, regarding the policy and budget at the time.....get as many into the air and train those bloody pilots...fast.
Musefully I would suggest that anytime a Polish trainee pilot would get inverted, it was probably while pulling high gee's in pursuit of a virtual firing solution at the tail feathers of one of his fellow cadets. Under such conditions, the fuel system would be binge-gulping with pure inertia, never the opportunity for even one hiccup....
Certainly the Poles really got the chance to show off their extreme training once they got their hands on some sundry Spitfires and Hurricanes in the UK.
But that's another story....
The plane illustrated below can be found finely rendered in Nigel's wonderful PWS-18 package.
Taka-taka-taka!!!
The Poles bought two Avro Tudors, and a license to manufacture.
The PWS establishment then went through the design and altered as much of it as they could to speed up the assembly line.
The Avro series were steel tube construction throughout, with steel tube spars, wooden stringers to fasten the cloth.
PWS changed the wings to wood, altered the wing tips from square to round ( easier in wood?), deleted the leading edge slats, and sourced a domestic radial engine, a license built Wright J-5 from either Avia or Polskie Zakłady Skody.
As Poland was feeling the thumping-boot foreign policy squeeze between Fascist Germany and the Soviet Union, they were building up their airforce as quickly as possible with massively limited resources.
The term, "quick and dirty" comes to mind. Right out of the factory, throw that plane right up into the air. If it flies, it's yours......if it doesn't....it never was......
Whether or not the PWS-18 carburetor was set up to fly inverted could be a good pub debate. My decision was against that, again, regarding the policy and budget at the time.....get as many into the air and train those bloody pilots...fast.
Musefully I would suggest that anytime a Polish trainee pilot would get inverted, it was probably while pulling high gee's in pursuit of a virtual firing solution at the tail feathers of one of his fellow cadets. Under such conditions, the fuel system would be binge-gulping with pure inertia, never the opportunity for even one hiccup....
Certainly the Poles really got the chance to show off their extreme training once they got their hands on some sundry Spitfires and Hurricanes in the UK.
But that's another story....
The plane illustrated below can be found finely rendered in Nigel's wonderful PWS-18 package.
Taka-taka-taka!!!
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johnwillimas2
SOH-CM-2023
Many thanks for the compass fix but I can't make it work. Cutting and pasting this code into a new .xml file and replacing the current AVRO_compass.xml file I lose the compass functionality completely - neither the needle nor the direction card are displayed. I'll hang on for the file upload. It's probably an editing error on my side.
When I try to open the xml file in Internet Explorer it only shows this....
(A:Wiskey compass indication degrees,degrees) (A:AUTOPILOT HEADING LOCK DIR, degrees)
The whole file is shown if I open it in Notepad, for example, or in file explorer preview....
Cheers.
When I try to open the xml file in Internet Explorer it only shows this....
(A:Wiskey compass indication degrees,degrees) (A:AUTOPILOT HEADING LOCK DIR, degrees)
The whole file is shown if I open it in Notepad, for example, or in file explorer preview....
Cheers.
nigel richards
Charter Member
Hi John, please send me your e-mail address via private message and I'll get the new gauge to you double-quick.
spokes2112
Charter Member
Nigel,
Posting XML code into a website, or email, will usually reformat it into a useless set of characters.
Just FYI, when posting code here use the "#" button above in the post editor functions to surround the code in "code" tags. This will keep the forum software from parsing/reformatting.
Anyhow, attached is the same zip sent to you (if it works), so others may use it before you upload an official.. Hope you don't mind.
Roman
View attachment NR_621.zip
Posting XML code into a website, or email, will usually reformat it into a useless set of characters.
Just FYI, when posting code here use the "#" button above in the post editor functions to surround the code in "code" tags. This will keep the forum software from parsing/reformatting.
Anyhow, attached is the same zip sent to you (if it works), so others may use it before you upload an official.. Hope you don't mind.
Roman
View attachment NR_621.zip
nigel richards
Charter Member
Postbaer61
Bluebear
What more can I say than a massive thanks to you, Ulrich for making the earlier AVRO releases accessible to P3D users. Huge thanks to you for bridging that gap, Sir.
Yes, I agree that FSX native materials are making an awesome difference towards the high standards we seek to acheive.
My pleasure! Sir,
it was an honor to me.
johnwillimas2
SOH-CM-2023
Hi John, please send me your e-mail address via private message and I'll get the new gauge to you double-quick.
Thanks but I have picked up the file from Roman's post. Works perfectly! Many thanks to you all for making this plane even better!
johnwillimas2
SOH-CM-2023
Thanks, Roman - works great!
nigel richards
Charter Member
BTW, The new compass gauge can be used on all of the AVRO series panels so far released.
Works perfectly in both in FS9 and FSX.
Many Thanks to Roman!
So thats why it wouldn't work for me. Having D/Led Roman's .zip it now does although the 2D pop up only flashes up on my screen - a SP2 problem as opposed to Accel?
Anyway I've meddled again & placed a negative sign in the top value line so the needle swings in the correct direction. Changed the 'Avro Compass.bmp' for the one I use - it fits perfectly & funny how we both use the same serial number P8 compass! & I have added a lubber line to the $vc02.bmp
I have also modified the tooltip text as I think the Reference value is misleading. I now have an almost perfectly working compass that I thought was not possible without Nigel having to create a modification to his Gmax. Only a working friction locking pad is lacking.
Now let me see if I can attach it....
OK it seems to be there. Exchange the $vc02 in the panel folder & the .xml in the NR621 folder. Add the P8 Grid Ring mod.bmp to the NR621 folder.
Keith (must stop meddling!)
Anyway I've meddled again & placed a negative sign in the top value line so the needle swings in the correct direction. Changed the 'Avro Compass.bmp' for the one I use - it fits perfectly & funny how we both use the same serial number P8 compass! & I have added a lubber line to the $vc02.bmp
I have also modified the tooltip text as I think the Reference value is misleading. I now have an almost perfectly working compass that I thought was not possible without Nigel having to create a modification to his Gmax. Only a working friction locking pad is lacking.
Now let me see if I can attach it....
OK it seems to be there. Exchange the $vc02 in the panel folder & the .xml in the NR621 folder. Add the P8 Grid Ring mod.bmp to the NR621 folder.
Keith (must stop meddling!)
WAIT...I've found a better way to show the lubber line & place it on the inside where it should be so use the V2 version. There is no need to change the $vc02, just add/ exchange the enclosed to the NR621 folder.
Keith
johnwillimas2
SOH-CM-2023
Works great. Thanks Keith!
spokes2112
Charter Member
Keith, must admit that I've never had any experience with the P.8 compass.
My first mod was just to get some kind of heading reference.
After looking at some vids and some docs, you sir, have nailed it!
One could use my mod as a "simple simmer" model of the compass and your version for the hard core, "as real as it gets", simmer.
Thanks!
Roman
My first mod was just to get some kind of heading reference.
After looking at some vids and some docs, you sir, have nailed it!
One could use my mod as a "simple simmer" model of the compass and your version for the hard core, "as real as it gets", simmer.
Thanks!
Roman
My pleasure Roman, I did it because John asked the question, but I had previously noted it to Nigel. I then found it possible to do the 'swinging bit' from your initial mod, so on.....I just hoped I wasn't treading on your toes!
Doing a bit of research I found that a long time ago someone commented on the M$ DH Comet compass as being wrong rotation & having a fixed bezel, must admit I didn't fly that model very much, couldn't taxy it!
Keith
Doing a bit of research I found that a long time ago someone commented on the M$ DH Comet compass as being wrong rotation & having a fixed bezel, must admit I didn't fly that model very much, couldn't taxy it!
Keith
nigel richards
Charter Member
Keith, must admit that I've never had any experience with the P.8 compass.
My first mod was just to get some kind of heading reference.
After looking at some vids and some docs, you sir, have nailed it!
One could use my mod as a "simple simmer" model of the compass and your version for the hard core, "as real as it gets", simmer.
Thanks!
Roman
Roman, Keith; Kudos Gentlemen - we now have an excellent P.8 compass!
I have to confess to no first-hand experience with this compass - similar to Roman, I did some searches online and now have a better understanding of its correct use.
Keith: The DH Comet compass 'did me in' - it was the very compass I based the original gauge on.
Your diligence has once again paid off with dividends.
Many Thanks!
thanks iapreciate it