Fsx Native DH-88 Comet !

[Henry]

but henry,.. Microsoft IS selling it.

you do have a point
H

 

[Daube]

Well, all of the default FS9 planes are actually uploaded at one (if not more) of the most popular FS download sites, where the administrator is known to be very responsive on problematic uploads. So I think MS or ACES never told anything against that, else the files would not be there anymore, would they ?

Also, from a legal point of view, if you buy the most recent version of a given software,do you really need to buy the previous version ? I mean, if one would make such an addon for XPlane for example, then I guess it would be problematic, since the XPlane users do not have any version of FS (I mean, theorically. Of course a lot of them have their own copy of FS), but if you provide those files to FS users, who actually bought FS9 or FSX, then MS get the money, don't they ?

 

[cheezyflier]

it's just like mentioning the no cd crack. (henry brought it up first) the particular forum where you can get it is one where i had seen aces and even phil post all the time, and no one said anything about it. ever. yet still some places, like the fs9 forum here at soh, it's a forbidden topic because of all the shootings and stabbings that occur when it's discussed. microsoft clearly has no problem with it, but some folks who feel it's their job to be the eula police are somewhat vociferous on the subject.

with word and excel documents are automatically backwards compatible. when fsx was first released, the planes from fs9 were too. that didn't change until the service packs.

 

[Lewis-A2A]

I've been asking guys from Aces (when Aces was alive) for sources of other planes than Jenny, I wanted to make the same conversion as I did with Jenny, unfortunately without luck

 

[kilo delta]

For what it's worth, I managed to d/l this a/c and the addon pack before it was pulled. I've fully licensed copies of FS2004 and FSX Gold so my conscience will be clear when I load it up in the Sim.
Thanks for the addon, Craig :ernae:

 

[Henry]

it's just like mentioning the no cd crack. (henry brought it up first) the particular forum where you can get it is one where i had seen aces and even phil post all the time, and no one said anything about it. ever. yet still some places, like the fs9 forum here at soh, it's a forbidden topic because of all the shootings and stabbings that occur when it's discussed. microsoft clearly has no problem with it,

actually that is not correct it was MS that asked sites not too
not the Aces but MS, as far as i know it was only on one "legal site"
and i do not believe it is still there
that certainly is illegal
H

 

[falcon409]

For what it's worth, I managed to d/l this a/c and the addon pack before it was pulled. I've fully licensed copies of FS2004 and FSX Gold so my conscience will be clear when I load it up in the Sim.
Thanks for the addon, Craig

Same here Kilo Delta. . .much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned. Craig did a beautiful job of moving a default FS9 aircraft into FSX, so what? Folks need to get over it and move on.:salute:

 

[empeck]

This is very strange. Everyone at SoH is very strict when comes to piracy in every thread but not in this one. I wonder why.

 

[bushpilot]

This is very strange. Everyone at SoH is very strict when comes to piracy in every thread but not in this one. I wonder why.

Yeah, it is strange. I bet if someone would have posted this particular Comet first to some torrent site it would have been considered as piracy quite easily. But now when it is accessible through a "legit" site...

 

[cheezyflier]

actually that is not correct it was MS that asked sites not too
not the Aces but MS, as far as i know it was only on one "legal site"
and i do not believe it is still there
that certainly is illegal
H

the place i was talking about is fly-away simulations. i just checked, and the file for fs9 and fs8 are both still there along with several other games. i was an active member there before i came here. i don't know what your criteria is for "legal site" but if phil was posting there it would seem to me that they have microsoft's attention as a place to distibute information about flight simulator. i don't think aces would patronize a site considered to be doing anything illegal, or contrary to their own eula if it wasn't something they condoned. i guarantee anyone from aces would only have had to post a single warning and they would have removed it right away. aces worked for microsoft. so aces could not be publicly ok with it if microsoft had a problem with it.
otherwise any challenge in court would never hold up. employees of a company are generally expected to support the interests of their parent corporation. otherwise there is conflict of interest. it just doesn't wash.

 

[guzler]

While the debate continues, I downloaded it and fly it regularly Its a great addition to FSX and I would like to thank the chap who converted it for the time and effort he put into bringing an old favourite back to life. I've got greater things to worry about than the legalities of this small pleasure in life !!!

 

[Henry]

This is very strange. Everyone at SoH is very strict when comes to piracy in every thread but not in this one. I wonder why.

im not sure myself
H

 

[Henry]

the place i was talking about is fly-away simulations. i just checked, and the file for fs9 and fs8 are both still there along with several other games. i was an active member there before i came here. i don't know what your criteria is for "legal site" but if phil was posting there it would seem to me that they have microsoft's attention as a place to distibute information about flight simulator. i don't think aces would patronize a site considered to be doing anything illegal, or contrary to their own eula if it wasn't something they condoned. i guarantee anyone from aces would only have had to post a single warning and they would have removed it right away. aces worked for microsoft. so aces could not be publicly ok with it if microsoft had a problem with it.
otherwise any challenge in court would never hold up. employees of a company are generally expected to support the interests of their parent corporation. otherwise there is conflict of interest. it just doesn't wash.

so you are saying a cracked exe is legal
correct?
H

 

[CodyValkyrie]

Gentlemen, you are forgetting one thing. It isn't ACES that you really have to worry about, it is the lawyers. Most sane people would likely be OK with what has happened here. It is the lawyers and copyright infringement companies who act on behalf of their clients that you have to worry about.

This situation has in some ways already played itself out with Cessna and Textron. While Cessna itself has no issue with companies using their aircraft for FS, Textron has dictated via their copyright lawyers and investigators that anyone who uses the Cessna name compensate the company. We have in the past (I use "we" vaguely, but as developers in general) had Cessna employees imply that they simply do not care, and that likely the use of their name in FS products could improve sales of their planes.

While I do not agree with the premise of it, all it takes is one uptight lawyer or copyright chaser to make this a problem... and that is the core of what we are worried about.

The chances of that happening? Well, we don't know honestly. What's to say someone couldn't be made an example of? I do think the chance of problems however are relatively low... at least for now. Let us hope it stays that way. There is no reason to draw blood from a turnip.

 

[Henry]

Gentlemen, you are forgetting one thing. It isn't ACES that you really have to worry about, it is the lawyers. Most sane people would likely be OK with what has happened here. It is the lawyers and copyright infringement companies who act on behalf of their clients that you have to worry about.

This situation has in some ways already played itself out with Cessna and Textron. While Cessna itself has no issue with companies using their aircraft for FS, Textron has dictated via their copyright lawyers and investigators that anyone who uses the Cessna name compensate the company. We have in the past (I use "we" vaguely, but as developers in general) had Cessna employees imply that they simply do not care, and that likely the use of their name in FS products could improve sales of their planes.

While I do not agree with the premise of it, all it takes is one uptight lawyer or copyright chaser to make this a problem... and that is the core of what we are worried about.

The chances of that happening? Well, we don't know honestly. What's to say someone couldn't be made an example of? I do think the chance of problems however are relatively low... at least for now. Let us hope it stays that way. There is no reason to draw blood from a turnip.

Thank you Cody
H

 

[Killbilly]

This is very strange. Everyone at SoH is very strict when comes to piracy in every thread but not in this one. I wonder why.

I think part of the reason is that this case doesn't "feel" like piracy to those of us who own a legit copy of FS9. I used to fly the Comet and the Vega from FS9 in FSX when I first switched over. FSX claimed to be "backward compatible", so I gave my old FS9 birds a try (all very legal, right?). However, I soon found that MS hadn't really been honest about the whole compatibility issue. The FS9 planes gave me rotton performance and (apart from not having the nifty new eye candy like self shadowing) had lost some of their nifty eye candy (like the windscreen rain). I reluctantly removed the old FS9 planes and went FSX native only.

To me, then, what Craig did here was help MS keep their promise to me. I can now fly a plane I purchased and own in FSX with excellent performance and nifty eye candy. That doesn't feel like piracy to me. I wish he'd do the Vega (or even the Vimy or The Spirit of St. Louis) as well. I miss those.

Perhaps all he would need to do is leave everything out of the download except the model and textures. That way, those of us who have FS9 can get the missing files (guages and airfile etc,), but those without FS9 would have a much harder time. No issues there. Even if he ripped the model to make it FSX native, he really wouldn't be doing anything more to break the EULA than someone who distributes a repaint based on original textures at that point.

How about that Vega, Craig?

 

[empeck]

I don't care about lawyers, or anything. I'm not against FS9 Comet or Craig. I'm just curious why it's ok for some people to download a plane ripped from commercial game. Would be ok if someone ripped A2A's He219, updated MDL to native FSX and put it to download for free? Or MAAM's DC-3? What about our own Lionheart's Junkers W33/W34? These planes are not updated to FSX standards too. Where is the line?

 

[falcon409]

. . . . .I'm just curious why it's ok for some people to download a plane ripped from a commercial game. Would be ok if someone ripped A2A's He219, updated MDL to native FSX and put it to download for free? Or MAAM's DC-3? What about our own Lionheart's Junkers W33/W34? These planes are not updated to FSX standards too. Where is the line?

I find it a "no-brainer" for this reason. . . .If he had taken the Flight Simulator 2004 Comet, re-engineered the entire model to work in X-Plane. . .basically going from one Commercial product to a totally different Commercial product and then charged for it. . .I'd have a problem with that. What Craig has done is make a default aircraft. . .one already built to fly in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 and moved it ahead one generation to make it compatible with Microsoft Flight Simulator X and made it available to anyone for download. . .it's useless in FS9, you have to have FSX to be able to fly it.
Now you can disagree and that's yours or anyone elses prerogative as human beings, but I've got much bigger problems in my life to worry about than to sit and fret over whether a corporate lawyer somewhere is going to come take my computer because I downloaded an airplane and then use it as evidence in a case he's building against another guy who made an airplane for FSX that used to only be usable in FS9. That's my opinion and it's worth as much weight as anyone elses. . .which could be quite a bit. . .or actually nothing at all. . .life goes on. . .this is hardly worth the pages that have been dedicated to it in the end.

 

[Ferry_vO]

Perhaps it would have been better if the default Fs9 Comet was required to get the FsX version to work (Gauges panel, sounds, perhaps even the aircraft.cfg).

BTW if you think this is not good, check out the racing sims community where people are ripping 3D models from games like Need for Speed and TDU to use them in rFactor and GTR2/Evo..

 

[Henry]

Perhaps it would have been better if the default Fs9 Comet was required to get the FsX version to work (Gauges panel, sounds, perhaps even the aircraft.cfg).

to me that would be the perfect solution
H