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Global Warming Just Happened

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Wing_Z

Wing_Z

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The Global Warming argument usually consists of two steps:
1. There is/is no global warming
2. Global Warming can/not be caused by human activity.

Sadly, we have just lost the first part of the discussion, so hopefully there will be only half as much BS as before.
"The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and its British counterpart, the Met Office have released a report today that confirmed the existence of global warming."
Source:
http://www.providingnews.com/noaa-and-met-office-report-confirms-global-warming.html#ixzz0v7vZ6MbD

The next part of the discussion might focus more on exactly how we are going to wean ourselves from fossil fuel dependency, rather than "if"...
 
Wing, stand around you and look at all the asphault (blacktop to us heathens up here) roads and parking lots, especially in the big cities. What does black do..... draws and holds heat.

There's yer Global Warming. It's the one thing these global warming baboons intentionally fail to mention.... think about it for a bit. ;)

It's not all that "might" cause it but I bet it's a big a part of it, IF there is global warming. The rest is just their BS.... spawned by Al "Nobody No More" Gore. LOL
 
I would respectfully submit that, on planet earth, there are no more "expert" experts in this matter than the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and its British counterpart, the Met Office.

There is no "belief" required here, it is fait accompli.

So to Part II...
Here's the thing: CO2 lasts 100 years and more, so just reducing the amount you pump into the atmosphere is only somewhat delaying the day that the CO2 bucket is full, and we become Venus. There's no argument about the effect of greenhouse gas either, it is a well-described phenomenon.
Put enough into the air, and you can grow tropical flowers under it.
Put too much in, and it gets really hot.
Unfortunately, a degree or so temperature increase on earth has really BIG effects.

SO: you can choose...screw down your GHG emissions to just about nothing immediately, or face Cold Turkey (=No emissions) at some point in the not to distant future.
It's not even an option to "reduce" these to "pre-1990 levels" or some arbitrary amount...when the bucket is full, it is full, and it is Too Late.
 
Its interesting that I read in the old testament of my bible,that there were huge world famines that happened in those times, which was more than 2000-3000 years ago. Sounds like global warming to me in those days!!
 
Yes, the earth did warm (and then cool again) and times were indeed very hard for humankind.

The BIG difference is that 2000-3000 years ago, there were not 6 billion+ of us, industriously helping the show along with an increasingly dense blanket of GHG.
 
Wing_Z said:
I would respectfully submit that, on planet earth, there are no more "expert" experts in this matter than the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and its British counterpart, the Met Office.

There is no "belief" required here, it is fait accompli.

So to Part II...
Here's the thing: CO2 lasts 100 years and more, so just reducing the amount you pump into the atmosphere is only somewhat delaying the day that the CO2 bucket is full, and we become Venus. There's no argument about the effect of greenhouse gas either, it is a well-described phenomenon.
Put enough into the air, and you can grow tropical flowers under it.
Put too much in, and it gets really hot.
Unfortunately, a degree or so temperature increase on earth has really BIG effects.

SO: you can choose...screw down your GHG emissions to just about nothing immediately, or face Cold Turkey (=No emissions) at some point in the not to distant future.
It's not even an option to "reduce" these to "pre-1990 levels" or some arbitrary amount...when the bucket is full, it is full, and it is Too Late.
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Sorry, Wing.........

NOAA and the Met are total jokes when it comes to accuracy.
They have been caught time and time again posting fictional or erroneous data.
The most recent, I think was last October when NOAA claimed it to be the hottest October in history...........
turns out they carried over Sept. temps for northern Russia and Siberia. And you trust these people ??!?

Interesting too, is the dwindling number of weather stations that NOAA and the Met rely on.
Back in 1988, there were over 5,000 stations world wide. Now there are less than 1500.
Which stations disappeared ?? The ones at higher latitudes and higher altitudes.
Jeez !! I wonder why !!
 
Not worried about solar warming of the earth......the rapture will resolve the issue for some.

K
 
Wing_Z said:
Yes, the earth did warm (and then cool again) and times were indeed very hard for humankind.

The BIG difference is that 2000-3000 years ago, there were not 6 billion+ of us, industriously helping the show along with an increasingly dense blanket of GHG.
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"Increasingly dense blanket".........is so misleading...

Let's look at the atmosphere : (all approx.) 78% Nitrogen
21% Oxygen
1% Argon
GHGs don't even rate because they are TRACE gasses...........
but let's be generous and give them 1%.

95% of that is water vapor, 3.6% ( of that 1%) is CO2, and the rest is methane, ozone,etc.

So, let's look at that teeny-tiny amount of C02 : 95 - 97 % is naturally produced.............
leaving .......... you do the math.......to mankind.

Dense blanket indeed !!
 
luckydog said:
...And you trust these people ??!?
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In this instance, yes.
They've had to go back and check through the whole "Climategate" thing, and have unilaterally put out this statement.
They know they will be under a microscope, and they've checked the science.
It is solid.

End of discussion, we're talking here about Part II.
 
luckydog said:
...Dense blanket indeed !!...
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A relative term.
I remember a neighbour of mine years ago pooh-poohing the fact of DDT being found in South Pole penguins on much the same basis: so small, so remote, couldn't possibly be..etc etc.
The science is good, and it projects that if we keep on doing what we are doing, we have a serious problem, and it doesn't matter that
Willy said:
...we're coming out of an Ice Age.
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...it's where the projection takes us that's important..

Anyway, the science as I said above is solid, no argument anymore.

Argument Part II says that we should pro-actively plan, before it is planned for us.
What's the best path ahead, then?
 
The science is not solid...............my spaghetti drainer does a better job.........and I hate to disappoint you but there is still a HUGE argument.
 
luckydog said:
The science is not solid...............my spaghetti drainer does a better job.........and I hate to disappoint you but there is still a HUGE argument.
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OK you obviously have an unshakable faith in the uselessness of climate science, and no argument will shake that, fair enough.
But that thought rightly belongs in the other SOH thread where the quotes are so long my internet connection hangs.

This thread is about Part II.
 
The geologic record suggests the climate changes drastically over time. And like Willy said, we're still warming from the last ice age. Maybe... Either way, it's unlikely we will have much to say about the matter, one way or the other. We'd just better be ready to adapt... Best we can tell the major swings in climate happen quickly, meaning a couple centuries, more or less. That is probably enough time for us to adjust. Maybe...
 
Because we are accelerating the effect, this time it is going to happen rather more quickly.
2050 is a date that makes a good target by most estimates.
It allows us 20 years (=No time at all) to put together the necessary energy technologies, and 20 more (=also No time at all) to implement them.

I am intrigued as to why Germany is hedging its bets on a flaky energy source like wind power.
 
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