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harleyman
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Thanks Odie..... I'm waiting for that first mesh to DL to try before I do anything ..I want to test it first in this wacked FSX before I reinstall if I end of doing that....
The DL is taking over 2 hours so far......LOL Its almost done, and don't want to loose it now....AHHHHHH
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harleyman
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Thanks For that Buddha 13..
I just took some shots too...Honestly I can't see much difference between default and this new stuff...But FSGenesis is a clear one to see differences..I did move my slider to 2 m for the new mesh..
Mine too is out of KLAX looking at the Hollywood sign...LOL
Default....FSGenesis....New One... In that order
I just took some shots too...Honestly I can't see much difference between default and this new stuff...But FSGenesis is a clear one to see differences..I did move my slider to 2 m for the new mesh..
Mine too is out of KLAX looking at the Hollywood sign...LOL
Default....FSGenesis....New One... In that order
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datter
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Wait a minute, this new one is that Taburet stuff or something else?
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harleyman
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Datter...Its the Taburet mesh I downloaded today...
I can't really tell any difference....:faint:
I can't really tell any difference....:faint:
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datter
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hmm, yeah it really does look about the same as the default... especially compared to FSGenesis. 
I downloaded the taburet Canada stuff (two files worth), will check them out later... not expecting much at this point though.
Any other mesh options out there? FSGensesis with plateaus, Taburet which may be little better than default for some reason... FSGlobal? Any others?
I downloaded the taburet Canada stuff (two files worth), will check them out later... not expecting much at this point though.
Any other mesh options out there? FSGensesis with plateaus, Taburet which may be little better than default for some reason... FSGlobal? Any others?
I have noticed a load of windows updates over the last week. Could these of had anything to do with it ?
May be worth doing uninstalls of recent updates to see if that cures it. They maybe conflicting with something. I had that with my Zone alarm a while ago and couldn't even get on the internet. I had to uninstall the windows update.
May be worth doing uninstalls of recent updates to see if that cures it. They maybe conflicting with something. I had that with my Zone alarm a while ago and couldn't even get on the internet. I had to uninstall the windows update.
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harleyman
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@ JimJones...The screens were all taken at the same location(almost) same time of day, same plane, same everything..So I don't really know ....
Well I did a complete restore of my system from a back up i made....It failed to boot...I thought it was my mild OC so I took that off...Still no go...
So I redid the backup again...Thats a total of 6 1/2 hours of backups..Still had nothing but my desktop picture...WHAT?
So it appears that when I made my back up I did not check the desktop shell to be included...Opppssssss
It was weird as I had my desktop pic as I said . but I had no icons at all...All I could do was make a folder and delete it...Thats all there was....But I knew it was there, because my Catalist Control Canter was spinning up my Vid card fan at boot.....LOL
So I just finished a partition, format, and complete OS install...
Now I'm back to the beginning again....:faint:
Maybe this time I will do my backup correctly...HeHe
Live and Learn....
Well I did a complete restore of my system from a back up i made....It failed to boot...I thought it was my mild OC so I took that off...Still no go...
So I redid the backup again...Thats a total of 6 1/2 hours of backups..Still had nothing but my desktop picture...WHAT?
So it appears that when I made my back up I did not check the desktop shell to be included...Opppssssss
It was weird as I had my desktop pic as I said . but I had no icons at all...All I could do was make a folder and delete it...Thats all there was....But I knew it was there, because my Catalist Control Canter was spinning up my Vid card fan at boot.....LOL
So I just finished a partition, format, and complete OS install...
Now I'm back to the beginning again....:faint:
Maybe this time I will do my backup correctly...HeHe
Live and Learn....
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I have FSGenesis on 1 box and FSGlobal 2008 on the other. By and large not hugely different except I don't believe FSGlobal 2008 installs any mesh in the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region> at all, I think their manual states that at 38 meters the stock mesh is the same as what they (FSGlobal 2008) would offer anyway so in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">US</st1lace></st1:country-region> your still on FSX stock mesh, which to my eye, is good.<o></o>
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Both mesh addons will show some runways and some water bodies at odds, elevation wise, with the surrounding terrain. I just turn my in FSX seting back to 38 in areas where I routinely run into too many problems and to tell the truth in many areas it just doesn't matter significantly if it's 10 or 38. But try setting it to 3 and fly Mt Saint Helens where the ACES used a special 3 meter mesh I believe,the detail is spectacular. I think that for every area that shows a lot of improvement anywhere in the world you find an area that's whacked or shows little difference. Just my opinion. <o></o>
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Your sudden change in FSX performance is very interesting and I've been there, done that, and continue to scratch my head and experience thoughts of violent intent from time to time, LOL. I wouldn't jump to reinstall. I've had the same issue from time to time and it's absolutely maddening but sometimes it will come around, which sounds absolutely absurd but I swear it happens after a little poking around and a reboot or two. I sometime suspect that updates not only of Windows but also the installed programs trigger an "event" but not necessarily immediately. But sometimes it appears to be immediate. For example, if I install a new FEX theme and launch FSX from the FEX program I can insure that it will freeze in my setup. A reboot or two and it goes away, why? Can too much defraging cause a problem? There are just so many variables to deal with. And the fact that repeatability of a problem issue is no more guaranteed than a permanent fix. The various available tests of computer performance aspects done by the makers and reviewers alike are about as useful as the mammary on a male boar when it comes to FSX so there's no surefire way to know in advance how a system will or won't perform with FSX other than more horsepower can beat less horse power when running FSX. <o></o>
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With only 27 programs showing in my Processes/Task Manager (<st1lace w:st="on">Vista</st1lace> 64) I will at times get a sudden drops from a stable 29 to 30 fps down to single digits flying around but I can't tie it in to anything specific and the drop does not seem to correlate to a freeze unless there is some time delayed consequence. And using Resource Monitor shows well over a 100 threads of background processes within the many svchost.exe Processes running, turning on and off but again no if / then corollary. I can't zero in on any one factor when I have a problem which is not all that often since I located a driver for a sound card that is not on my machine, and uninstalled it. (And no, I don't build my own machines or allow automatic updates). And Event Viewer and Performance Monitor never record anything helpful.<o></o>
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I use to think it was view changes over taxing the CPU or GPU or both but again, it's not repeatable even with the same flight and conditions. I've tested memory, running processes and monitored temps to death, never a clue. I find that after I fire up the high performance box if I let it sit for a few minutes for background processes to settle down I get better results. I also do the same thing when I load FSX and a subsequently a flight. Sometimes I can fly for over 5 hours without a hitch other than a sore back, sometimes a few minutes before a freeze. Never a crash to desktop, never an OOM, just a freeze of everthing including the keyboard and mouse. The Overclock? I would think that should easily be repeatable with the same flight and settings, but it's not. So what triggers it? Turning off the CPU OC (memory and GPU are not OC'd) means turning down the settings to avoid stutters, pauses, etc. As I am primarily a VFR flyer it becomes uninvolving to the point where I'd rather go do something else than fly FSX.<o></o>
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I can't seem to pin it down, it’s a moving target, but we continue to investigate. And since locating that rogue driver things are very much improved which is a good thing as I usually fly 2 to 4 hours a day presently.<o></o>
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></o>Both mesh addons will show some runways and some water bodies at odds, elevation wise, with the surrounding terrain. I just turn my in FSX seting back to 38 in areas where I routinely run into too many problems and to tell the truth in many areas it just doesn't matter significantly if it's 10 or 38. But try setting it to 3 and fly Mt Saint Helens where the ACES used a special 3 meter mesh I believe,the detail is spectacular. I think that for every area that shows a lot of improvement anywhere in the world you find an area that's whacked or shows little difference. Just my opinion. <o
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></o>Your sudden change in FSX performance is very interesting and I've been there, done that, and continue to scratch my head and experience thoughts of violent intent from time to time, LOL. I wouldn't jump to reinstall. I've had the same issue from time to time and it's absolutely maddening but sometimes it will come around, which sounds absolutely absurd but I swear it happens after a little poking around and a reboot or two. I sometime suspect that updates not only of Windows but also the installed programs trigger an "event" but not necessarily immediately. But sometimes it appears to be immediate. For example, if I install a new FEX theme and launch FSX from the FEX program I can insure that it will freeze in my setup. A reboot or two and it goes away, why? Can too much defraging cause a problem? There are just so many variables to deal with. And the fact that repeatability of a problem issue is no more guaranteed than a permanent fix. The various available tests of computer performance aspects done by the makers and reviewers alike are about as useful as the mammary on a male boar when it comes to FSX so there's no surefire way to know in advance how a system will or won't perform with FSX other than more horsepower can beat less horse power when running FSX. <o
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lace w:st="on">Vista</st1lace> 64) I will at times get a sudden drops from a stable 29 to 30 fps down to single digits flying around but I can't tie it in to anything specific and the drop does not seem to correlate to a freeze unless there is some time delayed consequence. And using Resource Monitor shows well over a 100 threads of background processes within the many svchost.exe Processes running, turning on and off but again no if / then corollary. I can't zero in on any one factor when I have a problem which is not all that often since I located a driver for a sound card that is not on my machine, and uninstalled it. (And no, I don't build my own machines or allow automatic updates). And Event Viewer and Performance Monitor never record anything helpful.<o></o><o
></o>I use to think it was view changes over taxing the CPU or GPU or both but again, it's not repeatable even with the same flight and conditions. I've tested memory, running processes and monitored temps to death, never a clue. I find that after I fire up the high performance box if I let it sit for a few minutes for background processes to settle down I get better results. I also do the same thing when I load FSX and a subsequently a flight. Sometimes I can fly for over 5 hours without a hitch other than a sore back, sometimes a few minutes before a freeze. Never a crash to desktop, never an OOM, just a freeze of everthing including the keyboard and mouse. The Overclock? I would think that should easily be repeatable with the same flight and settings, but it's not. So what triggers it? Turning off the CPU OC (memory and GPU are not OC'd) means turning down the settings to avoid stutters, pauses, etc. As I am primarily a VFR flyer it becomes uninvolving to the point where I'd rather go do something else than fly FSX.<o
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harleyman
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@ Frank....Ita a mystery for sure......It was doing so good to...
@Jimjones ...You know, i had Acronis, never figured it out for cloning the drive, so I gave it away.....LOL
Now all I have is the back up option for now....I think with this install I will just back up FSX and all its folders...Thats what I really needed anyway...
But hopefully It will all go great this time again......
I installed the new ATI 9.3...I'll see how that goes..The last one was a no go for me and I had to roll it back ....
@Jimjones ...You know, i had Acronis, never figured it out for cloning the drive, so I gave it away.....LOL
Now all I have is the back up option for now....I think with this install I will just back up FSX and all its folders...Thats what I really needed anyway...
But hopefully It will all go great this time again......
I installed the new ATI 9.3...I'll see how that goes..The last one was a no go for me and I had to roll it back ....
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datter
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@harley : I tried out that Taburet Canada stuff last night and really saw the same as you. Very little difference from the default at all, so much so that I actually question whether I installed it properly though I made sure I did.
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harleyman
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Well then I'm not going nuts then...LOL
I installed two ways....
1) made a filder with a scenery folder and added it to add on sceneries in FSX and activated in the FSX scenery library... Took some shots..And thought it was still default..So I
2) Placed the files in Scenery/Worls?Scenery and took some screenshots again...It looked all the same to me....
I might just skip mesh now and see how it is set to 38M in FSX...
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datter
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I did the same thing when installing it. Initially thinking I must have done something wrong, but apparently not. Personally I find the default stuff fine anyway. I mean I can see discrepancies locally because I'm so familiar with my immediate terrain (Nova Scotia) but honestly, I have NO CLUE what the hills of the San Francisco area look like so while FSGenesis might make them "better" aside from seeing a bit more detail I really don't notice anyway. The plateaus... I notice those whether I'm familiar with an area or not. Think I'm sticking to the default too, it's good enough for me and it's just one less thing thrown into the FSX stew so that's not a bad thing either.
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harleyman
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Datter...you run your default mesh setting at 38?
Or change it like FlightT does to suit the location?
Or change it like FlightT does to suit the location?
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datter
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I used to leave it at 38m since for the most part that's as good as the default mesh gets (aside from Mt. St. Helens and the like) but lately have settled on 19m, but that only because it lets me put the texture setting (whatever it's called) at 15cm which is as good as I need it for various ground addons. The only reason my mesh is at 19m is to get the 15cm setting. Ideally I could set 38m mesh and still get 15cm textures, but no go. I tried 10m/7cm but the difference between 15cm an 7cm is not something I notice. I tend to care more about textures than mesh.
I find 38 meters and 30cm keeps my ground textures (trees, houses, shrubbery?) sharp. I also fly at .30 zoom levels all the time which I think keeps textures sharper and perspective seems more realistic to my eyes. I up the mesh detail to 19 or 10 when flying mountanous areas or something like the Grand Canyon. Death Valley, Bonneville Salt flats, large bodies of water...38 is probably overkill, LOL.
I also think when flying areas with lots of houses, trees, and other objects the mesh detail is less important/noticeable (unless t's a leveled house on steeply sloped ground, attached to it on one side only and this seems to be exacerbated by higher detailed mesh). But in mountanous areas (say the Alps) where the ground terrain itself is the predominant visual aspect the higher the mesh detail the more satisfying it is to me.
I also think when flying areas with lots of houses, trees, and other objects the mesh detail is less important/noticeable (unless t's a leveled house on steeply sloped ground, attached to it on one side only and this seems to be exacerbated by higher detailed mesh). But in mountanous areas (say the Alps) where the ground terrain itself is the predominant visual aspect the higher the mesh detail the more satisfying it is to me.