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Has Anyone Seen Me?...my name is N3N

Javis said:
Yes, it's usually easier and quicker to start from scratch than to try and update an older model. I remember vaguely having asked Tom for Greg's Convair source too many,many moons ago but can't remember what i actually wanted to do with it. ;-)
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Cockpit windows, probably. :)

Sure, but it's really not so much the physical difference (i do love the shape of the Allison nacelles!), it's more like i'd miss the sound of the Double Wasps dearly ! (don't ask me about the BT-67 blasphemy... ;-)
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You're supposed to model them, not listen to them.
(Most of the time when developing, the simulator is muted anyway.)

I love turboprops, but a DC-3 is sacred ground. Even the early and rare R-1820 and the R-2000 mod (mod, not DC-3S!) feel odd.

That's right. It is remarkable, if you compare 3-view drawings of the same aircraft from different artists, how each of them interprets it differently. I have no clue in the first place how these guys setup something like a 3-view drawing. Looks like it's a lot of wet finger work.
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Guesstimations.


I can imagine! A nice challenge indeed that took a few days and a lot BS&T but i'm not unhappy with the result.
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The side windows are another PITA area. Bloody hard to get right to look exactly as in these photos:

Almost head on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_CV-240_family#/media/File:Convair-240-color.jpg
Front left:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Convair_580_VH-PDL.jpg
Top:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/C-131F_Samaritan_VR-30_in_flight.JPEG
Front left:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/CanadairCC109Cosmopolitan.JPG

Hard to spot, but the window appears to be wider farther up than below, depending on perspective.
 
Javis said:
Ok, cat's outta the bag. Convairliner indeed. Well done, Ted, you sure know your landinggears ! :encouragement:

Aerial photo is San Diego where many Convairs were build. Arrow points to a building called 'The Convair Sailing Club' but Ted didn't need all that. ;-)

In my flightsim book the Convairliner series has been overly neclected while it made such a good start way back when in the FS5/FS95 times with a, for that time, exceptional beautiful model by master artist Pierre Ardichvilli whom i had the great pleasure to work with (VIP Group). Later on followed by a, also for that time (i believe FS2K), equally beautiful model by Greg Pepper. And with that rendition, possibly created as far back as the previous century...) support for the Convairliner came to a hold. No native FSX version let alone P3D. Many repaints are done for Greg's model so there must be sort of a substantial group of followers of this particular aircraft. Certainly an iconic aircraft as it was the offical follow-up of the DC-3.

Always loved the Convairliner, with its bulky nose and beautifully clean shaped engine nacelles and particularly its empennage culminating in this beautiful symetric endpoint of lines (also because the fuselage is almost perfectly round). No idea why it never followed the route of expansion of its FS propliner cousines i.e. DC-3,-4,-6, North Star, Connie, Stratocruiser and even C-46, the're all there in our beloved flightsim heavens, one even more meticulously replicated than the other. Blatantly missing in this line-up: the Convairliner.

Long story short, time to do something about it. Very much WIP no doubt but it's on the blocks.

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Intention is to concentrate on the 240 and 340 (plus militairy variants C-131 and T-29) and see about further development later (in between work on the C-47/DC-3 and N3N will continue. Spice of life and all that.. ;-)

Hope it's a nice surprise for you proplovers outthere.

Cheers,
jan
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It's so good to see a Convair twin in the works! I had really been missing them.
 
Thank you kindly, gents. :smile:

I set it up particularly to use as a canvas for both typical KLM blue and AA red/orange, respectively.

cv340klm.jpg


cv240aa.jpg


Actually can't wait to have a crack at both these iconic liveries. ( we do all this work just to paint the liveries we love before anyone else, don't we.. ;-)

Cheers,
Jan
 
okay...I guess I can see the attraction..
this is like a FEAST for the eyes - I gotta look away periodically

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this livery would look terrific on a flying garbage truck..it's on everything else.

but it looks a little special on the Convair maybe..I like how the red at the nose curls down to a point..like a raptor beak. Nice touch
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comparing the image of the Air Force specimen above to the model WIP pics it sure looks like Jan has nailed the windscreen area (along with the rest) pretty damn perfectly - nice fine work there
 
Thanks Heywooood ! That first photo of Samaritan 542809 gotta be one of the most beautiful shots of a C-131 i have seen this year. Nice detailed view of the pax stairs too. Remarkable i didn't stumble over that one myself... Thanks for sharing! :encouragement:

I do like the Western livery with the Indian headdress and arrow but find the 'new nosejob' quite a pity not to say i hate it... It's like a nasty pimple and if not treated well it could grow out to this :

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What i'm talking about might not stand out that much on your Western photo so here's a better view of this swelling or protuberance: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_240#/media/File:Convair-240-color.jpg

That's terrible, huh...

'Offically' it seems to have been called 'pug nose' but i have yet to figure out what it actually was needed for, probabely a small radar installation, but i don't think i'm going to bother with it. What becomes of it if not treated well is called 'Total In Flight Simulator'. I believe it's only one specimen, NC-131H 53-7793, that didn't get its pimple treated well, and that's a good thing too. Imagine 50 of these monstrosities standing at the flightline... :eek:

Flight simulators should stay on the ground, that's where they belong. I mean, *we* should know, shouldn't we ! ;-)

cheers,
jan
 
Javis said:
I do like the Western livery with the Indian headdress and arrow but find the 'new nosejob' quite a pity not to say i hate it... It's like a nasty pimple and if not treated well it could grow out to this :


What i'm talking about might not stand out that much on your Western photo so here's a better view of this swelling or protuberance: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_240#/media/File:Convair-240-color.jpg

That's terrible, huh...
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Finally another person with an intense dislike of the early radar nose!

If anything, the only valid radar nose cover is the later one.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Swissair_Convair_CV-440_Volpati-1.jpg
 
Bjoern said:
Finally another person with an intense dislike of the early radar nose!
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Well, as a matter of fact i didn't know about this horrible design mishap until i started gathering photo material and information.... No matter that there were lots of Convairs mistreated with this atrocity, for my Convairliner project i wouldn't touch it with a barge pole !

If anything, the only valid radar nose cover is the later one.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Swissair_Convair_CV-440_Volpati-1.jpg
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Yes, that's something else ! I would be happy to model that beautiful nose job sometime. Nice livery too and beautiful bare-metal nacelles ! :cool:

Do you have a 'special relationship' with the Convairliner, Bjoern ?

Cheers,
jan
 
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