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Horrible tragedy, 19 firefighters killed

ViperPilot2 said:
They used the DC-10 bomber in the recent Black Forest Fire...

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My point about the CL-215's is that smaller scooper style fire bombers would be ideal for situations like the Black Forest Fire. There are many local reservoirs that can be used as supply points for the bombers; ones that the CL-215 and her sister ships can get in and out of easily.

High tech and large capacity droppers are fine and dandy, and I know they're on the drawing board or in pre-production. But, we're looking at an epidemic here... one that isn't going away anytime soon.
We need a quick and dirty approach, and quickly. The West Creek Fire in southern CO has consumed almost 100K acres, and it's only 4% contained!

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Viperpilot,,,hope i didnt come across as saying you were wrong about the Canadair super scoopers,i think they do a great job,the CL-215 hauls 1440gals,and the CL-415 hauls a 1500 gals ....nice thing about them also is that being amphibians,,they are multiple "ordinance" (hehehe) capable. scoop water from a lake..or can be "hot Loaded" at an ATB with retardant or Gell.they also have built-in "lite water" additive tank,so when they scoop water they can mix it in before the drop which helps,if memory serves,its a additive to keep the water on the vegetation and to stay "up" on the surface of the earth,rather than soaking in immediately,we used to add a pint of it,,we called it "white water" to each 500 gallons our brush rig heald ,when we worked a grass fire,the water would have a white soapy look left on the ground...
 
Daveroo,

Absolutely not! Your posts have been very informative; man, it's just so DRY here! The amount of beetlekilled trees here in the mountains is staggering, and it's just so much more kindling ready to be set off by anything!

I just see vids on YT showing CL-215's and 415'sin Canada, lined up on approach for scooping water looking like a busy day at DIA, and I wonder why we can't have the same thing down here!

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they used them in los angeles several years ago,maybe more recently?..i dont recall the outcome of the study,someone else may know more.."airattack images" may know since he is located down south..but when they used the PBY up here years ago CalFire (CDF back then) didnt like it as there just werent good enough lake/water ways for it.we have Folsom lake,Shasta Lake up north,and then Rollins lake,Spalding and other smaller reservoirs..but i remember there were a couple of issues ranging from,some of the reservoirs being for drinking water and people were concerned the planes would contaminate the water,( but these same waterways allow boats for fishing,but dont allow swiming..odd)and in my immediate area..like Lake Clementine,good scoopable site...except that its deep down into a deep box canyon with no entrance or exit..

huh...ive accually lost my train of thought here....my attention got diverted by a call on the scanner and ive gone blank...lol...:sleep:
 
Just a suggestion...
Doesn't appear that anyone has mentioned this yet in this thread, but you can help the families of these fallen firefighters, if you want to, through the Wildland Firefighter Foundation out of Boise, Idaho:

http://www.wffoundation.org/Index.asp

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daveroo,

There are quite a few reservoirs in the Front Range that could handle 215's and 415's, from Pueblo Res down south to Horsetooth up north near Ft. Collins. A lot of our drinking water comes from Dillon Res. and Georgetown Lake, and smaller reservoirs closer to Denver.

Heck,they could also potentially be used for topdressing burn areas to help with reclamation, soil stabilization, etc. although I would suspect there are better suited birds for that mission...

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Hey,

I have thought long and hard about how to respond to this. Leaving politics, budgets, and government aside, I just want to pass along my sincerest condolences to the firefighters and their families, as well as the area where they were based in Arizona. May God and the community take care of those families left behind, and my sincerest gratitude and respect for all those in public service and the military who put their lives on the line every day to protect those whom they serve. :USA-flag:
 
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