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How old is Jesus?
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cheezyflier
Charter Member
boo, admit it, i win 
+1...
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I think we should give the religious topics a break. I am finding it gradually more difficult to keep myself from going off on one of these threads.
Its great to talk about. It always amazes me when I learn or realize a little bit more of God and 'the big picture'.
Bill
Bjoern
worst developer ever
Change "big picture" to "plan" and this could be a quote straight from BSG.
And speaking of...seeing how Baltar got all those chicks with his cult I think it's time for me to start one too.
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tigisfat
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Exactly. The OP says: "no religion", but it's a thread about a religious character.
I'll play though: How old was Jesus supposed to have been when died the second time, minus the however long gap?It doesn't bug me to much until Christians openly bash my beliefs.
Snuffy
Happiness Consultant
Guess you'll have to explain this one.
Ah Bill, we know the answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42.
Caz
lololol...
Yes!
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tigisfat
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Please excuse that horrible sentence. I'll try to reiterate. The legend says Jesus died on the cross, then came back in a few days, right? How old was he when he was supposed to have died on the cross? Then he 'rebuilt the temple' and all that jazz, so when did he die after that, for a second death?
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6297J
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Wait a minute - how old was Jesus when he invented Jazz!?
Maybe the 'Disciples' were actually an underground be-bop group and those boring Romans just didn't dig that scene. Maybe thats what all the fuss was about and in 2000 years time we'll have the Church Of Charlie Parker :isadizzy:
cheezyflier
Charter Member
the temple He rebuilt, was himself. when He told the pharisees to destroy the temple and He would rebuild it in 3 days he was speaking of Himself. they thought He was speaking of solomon's temple. He did not die a 2nd time. He ascended bodily into heaven from whence He will return with a shout.
Snuffy
Happiness Consultant
DISCLAIMER: For those of you who may be offended, or find the following to be "humorus", I ask that you either refrain from reading further, or if you do read, avoid negative commenting in this post. (thats what PMs are for.) This is provided for Tigisfat because he initiated the thought process. Thanks for your cooperation.
First the crucifixion is not "legend". Historians of the time have recorded the event as an actual happening. Josephus is one of these, the historian of the Jews during that time, his writings are well known and accepted by many as factual.
Second, Jesus was 33 1/2 years old when in his physical human body at the time of his death. (See Ecc 9:5,6 for a Biblical definition of death.)
He was Bibically dead for parts of 3 days. He died of Friday and was resurrected on Sunday. For those who think that Jesus ascended to heaven immediately at his death, guess again. Jesus himself told at least one person that he had not yet ascended to heaven after his death. (John 20:17) He was known for telling the truth, so the truth of the matter is that he did not ascend to heaven at his death. (Cheesy is right with regards to the comments about tearing down and rebuilding the temple.)
After his resurrection here on earth as a spirit creature, he remained on earth for 40 days before ascending to heaven. He did not die a second time to do this. One physical death was all he had to provide, and that was the day he died on the crucifixion. A small group of his disciples witnessed his ascention. (Acts 1:6-11) There was no second death. As a spirit creature he merely shed his human bonds and ascended to heaven in his spirit body.
However, there are other things you might want to consider about him while here on earth those 40 days after his resurrection.
He materialized in various bodies, his disciples did not recognize the physical man before them, but the message was clearly his. (Luke 24:13-35)
One of the women, named Mary, coming to his tomb on Sunday to finish "preparing" his body for the long rest of death, did not recognize him until he spoke to her. (John 20:11-18)
He was able to enter locked rooms without having to use a door to enter the room. (John 20:19-29)
Hope this helps.
First the crucifixion is not "legend". Historians of the time have recorded the event as an actual happening. Josephus is one of these, the historian of the Jews during that time, his writings are well known and accepted by many as factual.
Second, Jesus was 33 1/2 years old when in his physical human body at the time of his death. (See Ecc 9:5,6 for a Biblical definition of death.)
He was Bibically dead for parts of 3 days. He died of Friday and was resurrected on Sunday. For those who think that Jesus ascended to heaven immediately at his death, guess again. Jesus himself told at least one person that he had not yet ascended to heaven after his death. (John 20:17) He was known for telling the truth, so the truth of the matter is that he did not ascend to heaven at his death. (Cheesy is right with regards to the comments about tearing down and rebuilding the temple.)
After his resurrection here on earth as a spirit creature, he remained on earth for 40 days before ascending to heaven. He did not die a second time to do this. One physical death was all he had to provide, and that was the day he died on the crucifixion. A small group of his disciples witnessed his ascention. (Acts 1:6-11) There was no second death. As a spirit creature he merely shed his human bonds and ascended to heaven in his spirit body.
However, there are other things you might want to consider about him while here on earth those 40 days after his resurrection.
He materialized in various bodies, his disciples did not recognize the physical man before them, but the message was clearly his. (Luke 24:13-35)
One of the women, named Mary, coming to his tomb on Sunday to finish "preparing" his body for the long rest of death, did not recognize him until he spoke to her. (John 20:11-18)
He was able to enter locked rooms without having to use a door to enter the room. (John 20:19-29)
Hope this helps.
Thats awesome Snuffy. Well put.
I had forgotten some of the details such as the locked doors. For 40 days, many that were dead had arisen also. Jesus had freed the ones held in 'the afterworld' thus taking the keys from it, and destroying the power of death, thus freeing even the dead that were yet still alive in the spirit.
Jesus will not die a second time. That is reserved for those that are judged in the final judgement and are excluded from 'eternal life'. Their spirits will undergo a second death, and they will be sent to a place that we call hell and is referred to as the pit in Holy Scripture.
I didnt mean for this to get religious. It was about how old Jesus is. Its an interesting fact and conversation for those that wish to 'look outside the box' and have questions about 'the big picture'.
For some, they only see life as a temporary party, an event, some pain, etc. Others see life as an amazing thing, a miracle, incredible with surprises around every corner. Some see farther then tomorrow, and some only see 'the moment'.
It was great to see some of the answers people had.
Bill
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6297J
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I think you knew very well what you were doing by asking the question! How can a question about Jesus - any question about Jesus possibly not get religious? I'm beginning to get a bad taste in my mouth about the thinly disguised missionary work that seems to be creeping into these forums, especially when a mod is involved. A seemingly innocent question or comment soon has a handful of obviously fundamentalist Christians blindly (and deafly) stating 'facts' like they are trying to convert people. I have a strong suspicion that if someone was equally vociferous about Islam and began quoting from the Koran the Christians around here would all be jumping up and down asking for it to stop.
Surely this isn't the place for it and I'm sorry Bill but you should not have been made SOH staff if you are going to continue to preach, albeit subliminally. If you must insist on doing so then why not set up a 'God is Great' sub-forum and keep it all in one place.
Snuffy
Happiness Consultant
Surely you can't be that shallow? I'm sorry to hear this.
There was nothing "missionary preaching" in anything that was said in any of the comments.
People expressed opinions, just the same as you did, and you're the one crying foul.
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6297J
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Surely you can't be that shallow? I'm sorry to hear this.
There was nothing "missionary preaching" in anything that was said in any of the comments.
People expressed opinions, just the same as you did, and you're the one crying foul.
But you are not expressing an 'opinion'. You are quoting passages from the Bible as if they are fact and Bill is talking about final judgement and eternal damnation. That is what missionaries do
My 'opinion' is that this forum is no place for preaching.
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