HS-129

[Oglivie]

Tweaks Update

In the mean time I tweaked my installed DPs and fit in Scott Smiel's Hs129 panel (works okay). I will see about including the panel in an upload with tweaked DPs and BGL. I sent Canion an email if he would be interested in my updates and if I could upload a package to LWDesign, but I haven't received any confirmation yet.

I just received word from Canion and will send him my pre-upload files for reveiw and hopeful approval for LWDesign.

Cheers,
O

 

[Canion]

This is one humdinger or a plane! It got me inspired to redo the 2D panel...
if anyone is interested in the texture... just let me know...

The surroundings looks good, the sight is located outsidethe cockpit panel not quitebe correctly.
You should see a real picture to understand.

Thanks for his collaboration

 

[Discus]

Help please

It would seem that Oglivie's attachment went poof, but I saved it yesterday, and am reposting it for all here now:

View attachment 55253

Best
SC

As the saying goes, the worst question is the one you didn´t ask::redf:
Where does this bgl goes? I haven´t seen a matching DP name or anything else with the same name. Does it go into SCENEDB\veh\scenery?

Thanks, Discus

 

[gaucho_59]

If you have the pic.......

The surroundings looks good, the sight is located outsidethe cockpit panel not quitebe correctly.
You should see a real picture to understand.

Thanks for his collaboration

If you have the pertinent pic... MAKE IT AVAILABLE my man... the Revi gunsight can be moved anywhere behind the windshield...
That is not a problem... the original panel (very primitive artwork) supplied with the aircraft had it in the middle... I think...
I just replaced a more realistic view of the gunsight... but I might have moved it... At any rate... the offering still stands...

 

[gaucho_59]

How about this?

If you have the pertinent pic... MAKE IT AVAILABLE my man... the Revi gunsight can be moved anywhere behind the windshield...That is not a problem... the original panel (very primitive artwork) supplied with the aircraft had it in the middle... I think... I just replaced a more realistic view of the gunsight... but I might have moved it... At any rate... the offering still stands...

I have placed the outside Revi on now (can be moved wherever you desire)...Offer still stands...

View attachment 55348

 

[Canion]

If you have the pertinent pic... MAKE IT AVAILABLE my man... the Revi gunsight can be moved anywhere behind the windshield...
That is not a problem... the original panel (very primitive artwork) supplied with the aircraft had it in the middle... I think...
I just replaced a more realistic view of the gunsight... but I might have moved it... At any rate... the offering still stands...

You are doing a good job.
Discus refers to "Hs129Panzejäger" by Martin Pegg.
You may find some PDF on Filestube.
If you can not I will send some reference.
At this point I'm out.

 

[Oglivie]

I´m reading "Hs129 Panzejäger" by Martin Pegg. 342 pages, each and every one better than the other. Good research. Genesis, development, use, first hand acounts by pilots and mechanics, etc, etc.

Cheers, Discus

Hi Discuss,

Thanks for posting this book. I do not have a copy yet and was wondering if it had the weights listed for the gun packs. I have been making object dp files and adding the individual weights to each DP for 4x MG17, 30mm and 75mm. So far I have been making a guess at these with 145kg for the mg17, 230kg for the 30mm, and 1000kg for the 75mm. Also I have read that the weight of the 75mm gun made the aircraft more difficult to control and thus was able to be dropped (the pilot and aircraft being more important than saving the gun). So I made the 75mm droppable in the Hs129B-3 DP file. The field weight for this weapon I read is about 3300 pounds (1500kg), but I think the weight for the aircraft version would be considerably less.

Also is there maybe a Rüstsätze number for the Hs129B-2 for a bomb configuration addon? The only one I ran across is for the Hs129B-1 which is R1 and R4 (i.e. Hs129B-1/R4). All the Rüstsätze numbers for the B-2 I have found are all for guns. However, I have a diagram (from Skycorner) of a Hs129B-2 that shows a bomb configration that appears to be the same config as for the Hs129B-1/R4. So do you think you may have some info? Thanks.

Cheers,
O

As the saying goes, the worst question is the one you didn´t ask::redf:
Where does this bgl goes? I haven´t seen a matching DP name or anything else with the same name. Does it go into SCENEDB\veh\scenery?

Thanks, Discus

That I think would go in the SCENEDB\weapons\scenery folder.

Cheers,
O

 

[Oglivie]

I have placed the outside Revi on now (can be moved wherever you desire)...Offer still stands...

View attachment 55348

I would be interested in including it as panel option (with your credit) for the lwdesign upload I am working on if that be okay.

Cheers,
O

 

[Discus]

Hi Discuss,

Thanks for posting this book. I do not have a copy yet and was wondering if it had the weights listed for the gun packs. I have been making object dp files and adding the individual weights to each DP for 4x MG17, 30mm and 75mm. So far I have been making a guess at these with 145kg for the mg17, 230kg for the 30mm, and 1000kg for the 75mm. Also I have read that the weight of the 75mm gun made the aircraft more difficult to control and thus was able to be dropped (the pilot and aircraft being more important than saving the gun). So I made the 75mm droppable in the Hs129B-3 DP file. The field weight for this weapon I read is about 3300 pounds (1500kg), but I think the weight for the aircraft version would be considerably less.

Also is there maybe a Rüstsätze number for the Hs129B-2 for a bomb configuration addon? The only one I ran across is for the Hs129B-1 which is R1 and R4 (i.e. Hs129B-1/R4). All the Rüstsätze numbers for the B-2 I have found are all for guns. However, I have a diagram (from Skycorner) of a Hs129B-2 that shows a bomb configration that appears to be the same config as for the Hs129B-1/R4. So do you think you may have some info? Thanks.

Cheers,
O



That I think would go in the SCENEDB\weapons\scenery folder.

Cheers,
O

Oglivie

I´ll search the pages and see if I can find something about it and post it here.

Discus

 

[Discus]

Here is a picture of an B2 cockpit configuration. And the outside view.
View attachment 55403 View attachment 55406
Also 2D views of an B-0 and B-1.View attachment 55405View attachment 55404

The gunsight is not centered, but on the right side of the cockpit.

More info coming...

Cheers, Discus

 

[Discus]

Hs-129 cockpit

View attachment 55407

More about the instrument panel and engine instruments mounted outside the cockpit.

Discus

 

[Discus]

Hi Discuss,

...I... was wondering if it had the weights listed for the gun packs. ...So far I have been making a guess at these with 145kg for the mg17, 230kg for the 30mm, and 1000kg for the 75mm. Also I have read that the weight of the 75mm gun made the aircraft more difficult to control and thus was able to be dropped (the pilot and aircraft being more important than saving the gun). So I made the 75mm droppable in the Hs129B-3 DP file. The field weight for this weapon I read is about 3300 pounds (1500kg), but I think the weight for the aircraft version would be considerably less.

Also is there maybe a Rüstsätze number for the Hs129B-2 for a bomb configuration addon? The only one I ran across is for the Hs129B-1 which is R1 and R4 (i.e. Hs129B-1/R4). All the Rüstsätze numbers for the B-2 I have found are all for guns. However, I have a diagram (from Skycorner) of a Hs129B-2 that shows a bomb configration that appears to be the same config as for the Hs129B-1/R4. So do you think you may have some info? Thanks.

That I think would go in the SCENEDB\weapons\scenery folder.
O

More info:

The four 7,92 mm MG 17 in a pod under the fuselage had 250 rounds per gun.

The Mk 101 30mm cannon weighted 180 Kg plus a 30 rounds of ammunition drum magazine, 0,78 Kg each. Rate of fire 260 shots/min. Muzzle velocity 860 metres/second.

The Mk 103 30mm cannon weighted 140 Kg plus a 30 rounds of ammunition drum magazine, 0,78 Kg each. Rate of fire 420 shots/min. Muzzle velocity 860 metres/second.

The BK 7.5 75 mm cannon weighted 700 Kg (installed) plus 12 rounds of ammunition in a rotary magazine, 11,6 Kg each. Rate of fire 420 shots/min. Muzzle velocity 860 metres/second.

An interesting weapon was the vertical (downward) firing rocket installation SG 113A with 6 77/44 mm rockets fired by a magnetic detector mounted like an antenna in the nose. Never used operationally.

O: Thanks for the tip about the bgl!

That´s all for today (tonight) for me in this side of the world.

Cheers, and Happy New Year to everyone!!:ernae:

Discus

 

[JapLance]

The BK 7.5 75 mm cannon weighted 700 Kg (installed) plus 12 rounds of ammunition in a rotary magazine, 11,6 Kg each. Rate of fire 420 shots/min. Muzzle velocity 860 metres/second.

That sounds too fast for such a cumbersome weapon. According to Luftarchive.de 30 rpm would be the real rate of fire.

I was starting some new DP's with more accurate boxes and parts. Here is the B1 :

View attachment 55414

If it works OK (I still haven't tested it) it could be used as a base for the rest of versions.

 

[Discus]

Yep

That sounds too fast for such a cumbersome weapon. According to Luftarchive.de 30 rpm would be the real rate of fire.

You are absolutely right JP! It was late and I copy and paste the Mk103 data and forgot to change the muzzle velocity of the BK7.5. 30 rpm is correct.

Another correction. The weight of the weapons is loaded, not anloaded: 180 Kg for the Mk101, 140 Kg for the Mk103 and 595 Kg for the BK 7.5.
700 Kg is the weight for the weapon installed, given only for the BK 7.5. I guess the other 105 Kg belonged to the gondola, the empty drum and accessories. The ammunition weighted 30 x 6,8 Kg/each= 204 Kg.

Sorry for the mistakes.

Discus

 

[Captain Kurt]

Thanks guys, nice indeed !!

 

[Oglivie]

Thanks for the great info Discus!

I think I have the weights close enough with the data that we could obtain. Note that the mtg hardware & gundola are best guess for MG17 and 30mm (45kg and 55kg).

MG17: 12.6kg (from another source)
============
12.6 x 4 + 45 (mtg hardware, belt feed & gundola)= installed weight with empty belt feed= 95.4kg

Mk101: 180kg
============
180 + 55 (mtg hardware,empty drum & gundola) - 0.78x30 (round weight) = installed weight with empty drum= 212kg

Mk103: 140kg
============
140 + 55 (mtg hardware,empty drum & gundola) - 0.78x30 (round weight) = installed weight with empty drum= 172kg

BK7.5: 700kg
============
595kg (gun weight) + 105kg (mtg hardware,empty drum & gundola)= installed weight with empty drum= 700kg

Cheers,
O

 

[Oglivie]

I was starting some new DP's with more accurate boxes and parts. Here is the B1 :

View attachment 55414

If it works OK (I still haven't tested it) it could be used as a base for the rest of versions.

Thanks Japlance, I haven't had time yet to check it either. The parts and boxes I haven't done anything with yet so this is very welcome.

Cheers,
O
:salute:

 

[Jaxon]

Hello guys,

I was not able to register at lwdesign, until my email is checked (suspiciously spam).
Is here maybe an admin/moderator of that forum, that can help me?

The pics look very promising and I want to try them out!!

 

[JapLance]

Thanks Japlance, I haven't had time yet to check it either. The parts and boxes I haven't done anything with yet so this is very welcome.

Cheers,
O
:salute:

Canion sent me some comments about the damage behaviour, so it's still a work in progress. Seems like it needs to be a bit tougher .

 

[Oglivie]

Hello guys,

I was not able to register at lwdesign, until my email is checked (suspiciously spam).
Is here maybe an admin/moderator of that forum, that can help me?

The pics look very promising and I want to try them out!!

Perhaps use Lindsay's or Tango's email address from their sim addon downloads. Some of their downloads are at Simviation. I think I have Tango's email address if you want me to PM it to you.

Cheers,
O