Hu-16 Rescue Pack

Just set down from a thoroughly enjoyable local flight with the new short-wing UF-1 out of Alameda. Will apply Obio's fix probably in the AM. I have noted the landing lights come on but do not swing from the vertical to the horizontal, even with using "ctrl-shift-keypad no." They do, however, swivel left and right.
 
Not sure what the animation was linked to, but something like Water Rudder, Wing Fold or Concord Nose Visor usually does the trick.

And I was correct N44HQ is indeed the Albatross at KCMA. Now I just need to find the pictures of it and the Lodestar conversion. Miles or something like that was the name of the conversion.
And no they are not the same aircraft. N98TP is the reg # of the pretty blue one and both are still flying as of last month ;)

Cheers
Stefan
 
HU-16 C and D Models 'Rescue' Pac - handling

Having noted EXPAT's probs in FSX with engine cut-outs on landing on water and having applied OBIO's remedy ie raise the engine placement ht to clear the props of the water. I undertook some further trials in FS9.


Had to comprehensively revise the float contact pts in both the C and D, HU-16. Also had to raise engine placement ht to 12.75 - almost twice that needed in FSX.


Decided to go back to land and practice a few concentrated circuits to really expose the handling of these a/c. Found a trait I had not encountered before - reducing throttles firmly in flt made the nose rise quite sharply in direct relation to the speed of throttle reduction. Not what you need on the final flare. Contrariwise - firm increase in the throttles gives a corresponding nose dip.


Both initial nose rise and dip, in relation to the throttle decrease or increase, eventually died down, but made for very uncertain final touchdowns. This was not due to the increased eng placement height as reversion to lower or original heights did not remove this pattern..

Anyone else experiencing this 'throttle up - nose down; throttle down - nose up;' effect?

Was energised to also try out the 'other' Version 2.1 done by Verlin. Will report back later.


Mal
 
Hey thanks Mal for taking up these settings issues. Always found the handling of this bird a bit odd on older versions, particularly in the cruise pitch, and landing flare departments!

In FSX I think I had the engines up as high as 12.75 but the engines/props still stopped in water so not sure how to fix this; I think I am right that it is the last value you need to change for height?

(Again in FSX) I can now use the 2.1 long winged version. Was previously unable to get it to lift off the water but lightening the fuel and payload I can just manage to get airborne. Would like to have the short wing usable as I like the no tanks/radar options.
 
HU-16 V2.1, Rescue Pack and Albatross SW

Expat,
I have used the Albatross V2.1 (Michael Verlin's), updated to his latest Air and FDE files, as the flt model to go for. Files concerned are: Grumman_albatross_v_2_1.zip updated with the air and config files in h-16_2_1_fde_ll.zip.

Have then used these new air and fde files in the Rescue Pack and Albatross SW pack with the excellent models produced by Ricardo Batalha and Swingman.

Had to adjust contact pts, viewpoints and a/c light placements (incl Shockwave lts).

Apart from some anomaly with the landing lights flood effect (both lts have a flood when a/c on land, only a flood on port side on water) both conversions work very well. As Michael states, it is a heavy a/c and although the twin cyclones can cope, there is no surplus on the pwr side, careful use of trim for T/O and landing also reqd. Not an exciting a/c to fly, but rewarding in a good Labrador sort of way.

If you have any probs let me know and I can PM my cfg settings to you.

rgds
Mal
 
Expat wrote:

"I find my long wing model (using it in FSX with a alternative freeware vc released a few years back) "sticks" on the water and I can't take off. Otherwise flies normally in all other respects. Is that a contact point tweak or should I add some oomph to the thrust scalar?

Also, the 2.1 short wing version has some strange behavior (FSX again) on the water, namely the engines quit and won't restart. They operate normally for land based operations."


OBIO said:
Can't really help you with the 'Tross sticking to the water...but the short wing engine problem...that I can help you with. I pulled the plane up in ACM and found that the engine position is way low.....the engines are not high enough to line up with the visual location of the engines....they are well over 1/2 way down the fuselage height....thus the props are touching the water. Give me a few minutes and I will fire up ACM and put the engines up where they should be and will post the new engine info here for all to have....be right back.....

And I'm back....here's the corrected engine position information....Just copy and paste these two lines into your aircraft.cfg in the correct position under [General EngineData]:

engine.0 = 9, -10, 6.75,
engine.1 = 9, 10, 6.75,

This will get the props up out of the water and have your short wing Albatrosses running correctly on water.

OBIO
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Has anyone by chance already solved this for FS2004. I can't imagine I'm the first to try to fly the Albatross out of the water in FS2004. I tried the fix above by Obio but it doesn't work in FS2004. The engines run just fine on land based operations, but the moment you enter the water the engines quit and can't be restarted. This is for the Grumman Short Winged Albatross "albatross_sw.zip" on Flightsim.com (its a beautiful aircraft model).

Thanks!

Bill
 
I thought I would just bump this thread every once in a while to see if someone comes along who has already solved this in FS9. I've tried the technique described in this thread to move the engine location up and out of the water (to the point that I can see the startup effects about 10 feet above the aircraft) but the engines still die the moment you enter the water (or spawn in the water). The engines run just fine during land operations.

Thanks!

Bill
 
Hi Bill

I have modified the aircraft.cfg so now the engines don't die when entering the water. All I changed was contact points, lights and viewpoints.

This is for the short wing version in FS2004. Depends on how close you are to the Max gross weight, it can take up to 15 seconds to start moving on the water, but it does get there.

Hope this works for you.

Cheers
Andre

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Andre19 said:
Hi Bill

I have modified the aircraft.cfg so now the engines don't die when entering the water. All I changed was contact points, lights and viewpoints.

This is for the short wing version in FS2004. Depends on how close you are to the Max gross weight, it can take up to 15 seconds to start moving on the water, but it does get there.

Hope this works for you.

Cheers
Andre

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Thank you, Andre!!! :applause:

I just took her up last night with your new aircraft.cfg file above and she flies out of the water just great now! She's a bit slow coming out of the water as you mentioned, but I was able to pull 3200 lbs of fish up out of the water on an Air Hauler job at Barrow, Alaska and deliver it to a small field in central Alaska. She handled just fine all the way in.

Cheers!

Bill :encouragement:

P.S. This is a very nice amphibian model that comes with 19 repaints and 4 models (slick, radar, external tanks, radar and external tanks) in the base pack if you haven't tried her out. She always flew just fine from land and now also works great in the water with Andre's fix.
 
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Does anyone know why the engines seem to be tied together in the model file? If you try to start engine 1 or 2 manually they both turn over together.
 
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