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Cody Coyote
SOH-CM-2024
Can't speak to all of it but the first photos are bogus. There is no such plane as the F/A-37 Talon and "Lt. Kara Wade" is actually the actress Jessica Biel. Those are stills from the shooting of the 2005 movie Stealth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_(film)
Cody beat me to it.
The ship is real though, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_York_(LPD-21)
Cody beat me to it.
The ship is real though, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_York_(LPD-21)
John Pirnie
Charter Member
Sorry guys, I got this from a friend of mine that was in the Navy.
kelticheart
Charter Member
HOORAY FOR LPD-21 THEN!!!!
THAT'S RIGHT:
"NEVER FORGET"
THANK GOD THERE'S STILL SOMEONE
ON THIS PLANET WHO DOES NOT!
Instead of the bullocks-lacking European leaders, particularly here!
A trivial question for everybody here: do you know the real meaning of the moon crescent and star that can be seen in the majority of muslim national flags? I'll be glad to let you know, "Least we forget".THAT'S RIGHT:
"NEVER FORGET"
THANK GOD THERE'S STILL SOMEONE
ON THIS PLANET WHO DOES NOT!
Instead of the bullocks-lacking European leaders, particularly here!
On July 4th, 1187, the commander in chief of muslim armies, Salad-din, defeated definitely the Crusade armies by the shores of Lake Tiberias in Palestine.
The battle lasted all day long and the waters of the lake were reddened by the Christian soldier's blood, Salad-din kneeled by the lake shore to give thanks to Allah for his victory over the Crusaders. The moon had just risen and Salad-din saw its reflection on the red waters together with a single star.
He then decided it was sign from his god and the moon crescent with a star on a red background was to become the symbol of islam from then on. Turkey, which has been bugging the whole world to become part of the European Union, still flies that very same flag.
I would ask to the Spartan soldiers buried at Thermopilae if they think Turkey is part of Europe.
How is it possible opening a civilised dialogue with a culture still celebrating its victory over Christianity, over 800 years later?
To date, daesh animals in Syria still call all of us Westerners "Crusaders". How in the world will they ever integrate in our societies if we let them in? Even a baby, born and raised in that culture is a potential terrorist!
The only way to open a dialogue with them, or hope they will integrate with us, is behind a Norden sight with a nice Tall Boy stored in the bomb bay and ready to fly.
Period.
KH
Kelti...
. .if you ever get a chance (if you haven't already) read a report on what happened that the days preceeding it. They were a pure cluster (fill-in the word here) on how NOT to march a army in Indian country and to then engage in battle. Almost exactly what happened 700 years later at a place called Little Big Horn.
. .if you ever get a chance (if you haven't already) read a report on what happened that the days preceeding it. They were a pure cluster (fill-in the word here) on how NOT to march a army in Indian country and to then engage in battle. Almost exactly what happened 700 years later at a place called Little Big Horn.
kelticheart
Charter Member
Absolutely, Fibber!
Hi Fibber,
you are absolutely right! With my rather strong statements I did not want to justify the Crusaders and the Crusade wars, which, evidently, for muslims they are not over yet.
Crusades were only a humongous excuse to open up the then deadly stagnant Old Sod economy to the Far East spice and silk markets. Without a strong central authority to guard and defend merchant's trails, Europe was slowly starving to death.
In spite I do not agree 100% with Karl Marx, in regards to the Crusades he hit bull's eye when he wrote that wars are always fought for economic reasons. Crusades were the epitome of economic wars, justified with religious noble ends, if mankind ever saw one before.
Besides, had the Crusaders shown a few ounces more of humanity, when they conquered Jerusalem and proceeded to make one of the worst blood baths in human history, history itself would have taken a different turn. Back then, Christian fundamentalists were not that different than today's muslim fundamentalists. Two sides of the same coin. Who can forget the "Holy Inquisition" mass murders of so-called heretics, wizards and witches, all burned alive?
All of the above said, what I object with all of my strength now is that Westerners must still pay for the Crusades in the eyes of muslim culture, which is still stuck in the 12th century A.D! Isn't it high time to move on for them?
Although it might seem a superficial analysis of today's Middle East deep problems, the sheer fact the great majority of muslim states still fly the symbol of their July 4th, 1187- see? America did not invent the 4th of July, it's another copyright infringement carried out by the great satan against them poor Midwesterners......
- victory against Christianity, goes an extremely long way towards explaining who we are dealing with.
What fault all of the W.T.C., Charlie Hebdo, Bataclàn, Bruxelles airport and subway innocent bystanders had? Just to refresh memories: what fault had the Israeli athletes killed at the 1972 Munich Olympic games, the passengers murdered at Rome Fiumicino International airport in 1980, all of the airliners hijacked and/or blown up in the last 50 years, the kidnapping of the Italian "Achille Lauro" cruise ship in the Med and the killing of some of its passengers (one of them a disable on a wheelchair thrown overboard), the recent London and Madrid attacks........... all carried out by palestinian terrorists, in other words: by muslims. Who else? All of today's terrorist madness did not start on 09/11/2001, it goes a long way back.
They are the worst intolerant racists of the world, because anyone who does not "submit" to Allah is a rabid dog to kill instantly (BTW: that's what the word islam means: submission to their god), just read the koran, I did. They treat their women like a heap of garbage...think of what happened on last New Year's Eve in Germany. Fraud, theft, rape and murder are 100% justified by them when carried out against "infidels". Apartment theft and crimes against property have never been as sky high here, as in the last ten years, in the entire Italian history. As soon as they get here, they demand state welfare support and permits to build mosques.
Yeah, just go to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, try to build a church of any Faith different than islam there and see how long they'll let you alive...........
Both of my grandparents' families fled the advancing war front in early 1945 and lived of public charity in hiding as refugees, my hometown was demolished by Allied bombings in May 1944. None of them demanded anything, stole anything or raised hell because they were not given a free cellular phone or a place to build a mosque. This is what we read in our newspapers here these days.......
I rest me case and ask for everybody's forgiveness here, if I did not write about aviation matters: I just couldn't keep my mouth shut any longer.
KH
Hi Fibber,
you are absolutely right! With my rather strong statements I did not want to justify the Crusaders and the Crusade wars, which, evidently, for muslims they are not over yet.
Crusades were only a humongous excuse to open up the then deadly stagnant Old Sod economy to the Far East spice and silk markets. Without a strong central authority to guard and defend merchant's trails, Europe was slowly starving to death.
In spite I do not agree 100% with Karl Marx, in regards to the Crusades he hit bull's eye when he wrote that wars are always fought for economic reasons. Crusades were the epitome of economic wars, justified with religious noble ends, if mankind ever saw one before.
Besides, had the Crusaders shown a few ounces more of humanity, when they conquered Jerusalem and proceeded to make one of the worst blood baths in human history, history itself would have taken a different turn. Back then, Christian fundamentalists were not that different than today's muslim fundamentalists. Two sides of the same coin. Who can forget the "Holy Inquisition" mass murders of so-called heretics, wizards and witches, all burned alive?
All of the above said, what I object with all of my strength now is that Westerners must still pay for the Crusades in the eyes of muslim culture, which is still stuck in the 12th century A.D! Isn't it high time to move on for them?
Although it might seem a superficial analysis of today's Middle East deep problems, the sheer fact the great majority of muslim states still fly the symbol of their July 4th, 1187- see? America did not invent the 4th of July, it's another copyright infringement carried out by the great satan against them poor Midwesterners......
What fault all of the W.T.C., Charlie Hebdo, Bataclàn, Bruxelles airport and subway innocent bystanders had? Just to refresh memories: what fault had the Israeli athletes killed at the 1972 Munich Olympic games, the passengers murdered at Rome Fiumicino International airport in 1980, all of the airliners hijacked and/or blown up in the last 50 years, the kidnapping of the Italian "Achille Lauro" cruise ship in the Med and the killing of some of its passengers (one of them a disable on a wheelchair thrown overboard), the recent London and Madrid attacks........... all carried out by palestinian terrorists, in other words: by muslims. Who else? All of today's terrorist madness did not start on 09/11/2001, it goes a long way back.
They are the worst intolerant racists of the world, because anyone who does not "submit" to Allah is a rabid dog to kill instantly (BTW: that's what the word islam means: submission to their god), just read the koran, I did. They treat their women like a heap of garbage...think of what happened on last New Year's Eve in Germany. Fraud, theft, rape and murder are 100% justified by them when carried out against "infidels". Apartment theft and crimes against property have never been as sky high here, as in the last ten years, in the entire Italian history. As soon as they get here, they demand state welfare support and permits to build mosques.
Yeah, just go to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, try to build a church of any Faith different than islam there and see how long they'll let you alive...........
Both of my grandparents' families fled the advancing war front in early 1945 and lived of public charity in hiding as refugees, my hometown was demolished by Allied bombings in May 1944. None of them demanded anything, stole anything or raised hell because they were not given a free cellular phone or a place to build a mosque. This is what we read in our newspapers here these days.......
I rest me case and ask for everybody's forgiveness here, if I did not write about aviation matters: I just couldn't keep my mouth shut any longer.
KH
kelticheart
Charter Member
100% right!
Aye, aye, sir!
KH
Hey guys,
(Blowing whistle)
While I appreciate the passion, let's not wade to deep into these waters. It might get messy, and we already dealt with this a few months back.
Let's put thebox away.
Aye, aye, sir!
KH
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
No harm Kelti,
You know where I stand on it all.
At any rate. It would seem that My Dads adopted Dad was in your neck of the woods in WWII. I found that out after my great uncle passed last month. Wish I could find out more about him but there isn't much out there. Seeing how he passed on Dec 7, 1962 (I kinda find the date odd) There aren't many left who would remember. I've gotten all I could from my Dad and my other Uncle. Which isn't alot really.
Just thought I'd share a little bit of the past.
You know where I stand on it all.
At any rate. It would seem that My Dads adopted Dad was in your neck of the woods in WWII. I found that out after my great uncle passed last month. Wish I could find out more about him but there isn't much out there. Seeing how he passed on Dec 7, 1962 (I kinda find the date odd) There aren't many left who would remember. I've gotten all I could from my Dad and my other Uncle. Which isn't alot really.
Just thought I'd share a little bit of the past.
xavierb
Revenant Member
There is only one point I want to make in your post, KH: the Inquisition, at least in Spain, allowed the poor condemned fellow to repent from his/her "sins". The point is that normally - yes, normally - then his/her life was spared! So even the Inquisition was actually better than the guys you are talking about in your post (the mus..., yes, those!). BTW, continuing this "devil's advocate" speech, it must also be noted that the infamous Spanish Inquisition often saved many innocent lifes that had been condemned by makeshift popular courts - the only existing legal body in villages or similar small population centers at the time. When the accused person was able to call the Inquisition attention on his case, he actually got a much more fair trial! Just mention it because of an scholar work I recently read on the topic.
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
You had to go full Monty on us, didn't you. I should have know it was coming.
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
kelticheart
Charter Member
Hi John,
according to what I could find on the net, this area was freed on 25th April, 1945 by the 4th Corp of the 5th US Army, 3rd Division, 133rd Regiment.
The 25th of April is still celebrated today as the "National Liberation Day" and the end of WWII in Italy. This year, on next Monday, April 25th, a group of local WWII military vehicles collectors will stage a re-enactment of the U.S. Army column entering Fidenza from the East, after the liberation of Parma on the same day.
Is the above enough info to locate your relative's whereabouts during those days?
KH
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
Hi John,
according to what I could find on the net, this area was freed on 25th April, 1945 by the 4th Corp of the 5th US Army, 3rd Division, 133rd Regiment.
The 25th of April is still celebrated today as the "National Liberation Day" and the end of WWII in Italy. This year, on next Monday, April 25th, a group of local WWII military vehicles collectors will stage a re-enactment of the U.S. Army column entering Fidenza from the East, after the liberation of Parma on the same day.
Is the above enough info to locate your relative's whereabouts during those days?
KH
It would be the 88th Infantry Division "Blue Devils" as they would be called later. 351st Regiment, Co G. Thats all I've got. I know the 88th was in and around the fighting in the Po valley. Its hard to find out any info on Company G of the 351st. It could be an error. As they had it listed as the 351 Division on his head stone.
Napoleon Fortin
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=26959064
So it's not in your backyard, but more like down the way a bit.
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
This may be what I've been looking for.
http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/smallunit/smallunit-smi.htm
Which would confirm what my Uncle Paul was talking about.
Although this is no where near you.
http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/smallunit/smallunit-smi.htm
Which would confirm what my Uncle Paul was talking about.
Although this is no where near you.
kelticheart
Charter Member
About 9 hrs. car drive South of here.....
Oh, yes, the Liri Valley Battle.
It happened a full year before Liberation, in 1944. Quite a bloody campaign, with Monte Cassino and everything else, before the Allied were able to liberate Roma. To date, the area is still full of military cemeteries.
Those were the battles that broke the back of the Whermacht in Italy. Without the sacrifice of so many soldiers here, I believe even the D-Day invasion and the liberation of Northern Europe would have been much tougher.
I never agreed with world historians who called Italy a "secondary WWII front".
The first map I attached below shows you where the Liri River Valley is in Italy and the second where I live in relation to it. It's a good 8 to 10 hrs. drive to get down there from here.
KH
Oh, yes, the Liri Valley Battle.
It happened a full year before Liberation, in 1944. Quite a bloody campaign, with Monte Cassino and everything else, before the Allied were able to liberate Roma. To date, the area is still full of military cemeteries.
Those were the battles that broke the back of the Whermacht in Italy. Without the sacrifice of so many soldiers here, I believe even the D-Day invasion and the liberation of Northern Europe would have been much tougher.
I never agreed with world historians who called Italy a "secondary WWII front".
The first map I attached below shows you where the Liri River Valley is in Italy and the second where I live in relation to it. It's a good 8 to 10 hrs. drive to get down there from here.
KH
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Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
"Nap" as my Grandmother called him. Was in from start to finish. He was heading back to the states for rest. They was going he was to head for the invasion of Japan. We all know the rest of that one.
I would love to visit. I'd have to make my final stop at Kelti's. Its on my list, though I may never get there. One can dream.